Paul Braren from and on Twitter at @paulbraren joins this week as we catch up with him and his job with VMware, some travel tech from his trip to Europe, his new Ring Stick Up Cams and his new Tesla 3. All this and more! Join Jim Collison / @jcollison and Mike Wieger / @WiegerTech for show #385 of Home Gadget Geeks brought to you by the Average Guy Network.
Jim (@jcollison) is joined this week by Paul Braren (@tinkererguy), Nathaniel Lindley (@thanlindley) and John Stutsman (@JohnStutsman) for Show 106! We were all about Home Networking in this show! How to do it, how not to and how to get it done with what you have! Hope you enjoy this episode. Part 2 will be next week. Join us for the show live each Thursday at 8pmC/9E at Listen Mobile: Don’t forget to get registered for the Drobo Giveaway! Here are the notes from the show. You can listen and follow along! ______________________________________________________________________________ Paul Braren, @tinkererguy TinkerTry IT @ home. Efficient virtualization, storage, backup, and more… All my network-related articles can be found at: diagrams List of devices WRT54G and 3-4 other Linksys routers in early 2000s, stock and tweaked firmware 1 Linksys/Vonage combination product for VOIP 2 D-Link DIR-655 Cisco/Linksys E4200 (currently) with SB6120 DOCIS cable modem I’ll dig around the basement, and add more details, mostly focused around my current known-good, stable combination of cable modem+router. experiences I’ll be ready, here’s my references, all pretty much here (from last 2 years, the relevant stories): will discuss things I look for in a router, given I had young kids (protection) I now have gamers (low latency streaming, he’s broadcasting full 1080p video of StarCraft II and his webcam, while playing and talking) effective QOS tuning video: upgrades Done many upgrades from older routers to new, at family and friends houses. Many firmware upgrades also done for various reasons over the years, with mixed success, and tales to tell. ______________________________________________________________________________ Paul Braren, continued… shownotes: forgot to mention how variable routers are when it comes to interruption of service, such as changing port forwarding, on some routers, you have to reboot for that simple change to take effect, which bumps network access for everybody in the house, not acceptable! Also forgot to mention to use Windows 8 / Windows Server 2012 Task Manager to monitor live bandwidth usage, see examples here: how to do WOL for a WiFi only Yoga 13? coming soon to Hardware mentions: More about John Stutsman 2001 vintage D-Link DGL-4500: Cisco-Linksys WRT54G Wireless-G Router, also 2001: popular for OpenWrt and Tomato firmware D-Link DIR-655, 2003: Cisco/Linksys E4200 Jan 2011: ASUS RT-N56U ASUS is the Next Big Thing in Wireless New is faster and better than , paving the way for high-performance wireless HD. But how long will 5 GHz band stay uncrowded? Stutsman Style bookmarks: from “The 2nd Annual Home Server Show Meetup” in Indianapolis Indiana October 20th 2012 good reviews of home networking equipment: ______________________________________________________________________________ Nathaniel Lindley, @thanlindley diagrams list of devices pfsense router on old Dell tower, 2 NICs, DNS, DHCP, Traffic monitor, Firewall I like the vnstat2 package for clear traffic usage graphs no UPnP vulnerability Motorola/Vonage modem for VOIP (I called to get the price back down to reasonable) Wireless AP (Linksys WRT54G with tomato for ), Linksys E2500 (); Apple Airport Extreme with Printer sharing Motorola Surfboard cable modem (Comcast) SiliconDust HDHomerun IP tuner Gigabit switches (Trendnet Green and Netgear GS series) desktops, laptops, mobile devices experiences Been happy with pfsense as a router, better than Buffalo DD-WRT and older linksys, would like to learn more about QOS and reporting Pay for OpenDNS account and use them to block nasty sites, works for me at router level Sometimes, when both wife and I are on VPN (mostly when her WinXP laptop is on wireless) we will both get disconnected — enough to need to turn off wireless on laptop and then back on to reconnect. Why could that be? upgrades At this point, I think I have too many cascading switches in switches to get wired connections to various areas of the house, will that cause networking problems? don’t really think I can run more cable in walls. I’d like to learn more about using iperf to test bandwidth internally and look for bottlenecks John Stutsman, @JohnStutsman Diagram List of devices Cable Modem: Motorola SURFboard eXtreme Cable Modem Model SB6121 DOCSIS Router: D-Link DGL-4500 Main Switch: D-Link 24 Port Gigabit Switch DGS-1024D Additional Switches: D-Link 5 Port Gigabit Switch DGS-2205; D-Link 8 Port Gigabit Switch DGS-2208 HD HomeRun HP Officejet 6000 Wireless/wired Printer Desktop, Laptop, HTPC Various wireless iOS devices Wifi Radio Ira Myine IR001 Various Servers Previous devices Router: D-Link DI-524 b/g Bridge/Access Point: 3*D-Link DAP-1522 Power-Line Ethernet (Power-Line Carrier): D-Link DHP-302 Cable Modem: RCA DCM425 Before the DGS-1024D I used a D-Link 8 Port Gigabit Switch DGS-2208 then later a DGS-2208 and a DGS-2205 daisy chained Experiences The DGL-4500 has been very stable — pretty much set it and forget i Per Michael’s suggestions in BYOB Episode 77 I made mod’s per his suggestions referencing: See DHS Link See The How and Why of the exploit Reference for other Security enhancements: ;rll=1 Some testing I did in 2009-2010 (see attached pdf above) showed – Net effect of testing on 2009-2010 was: Power Line Carrier was the Slowest though it was still fast enough for most videos Direct CAT6 Cable was the Fastest Gigabit switches were faster than the back of Router The back panel of the Access Points/Bridges could be used for Gigabit Switches Additional references: An Introduction to Home Networking Network Interface Controller Outline Network Basics-Part 1 BYOB Episode 35 BYOB Podcast 75 See Sam Bowne – DoS IPv6 by RA Packets Upgrades Future plans include – 2nd HD HomeRun – for over the air Broadcast with Antenna in Attic CAT6 cable runs to additional rooms in the house A lot of my old equipment/hardware has gone to family members I expect I’ll be helping them as their systems evolve The Average Guy Facebook Page The Average Guy Facebook Group If you’d like to subscribe to the show, click on to update your iTunes library, or for other Podcast downloading applications, please click on the RSS Feed and pick your Pod Catcher of choice! Or, you can now stream the show online at at The Show Announcements and Schedule: #!/TheAverageGuyTV Jim’s Twitter: #!/jcollison Andrew’s Twitter: #!/unrealshots Contact Christian: Contact the show at Find us on Facebook: Find this and other great Podcasts from the Average Guy Network at Some links may contain affiliate codes that benefit the Average Guy Podcast Network. Chat Logs: PM Renny: Like that tip KS PM jpeg2RAW_Mike: Your fine Jackie, I am not posting much easier since I am working on the show from Tuesday PM ben: googledns PM Jazzerjay: google here as well PM OtherJim: Good point KS, always think about the next cable pull. PM flyboyco: KS good point. twine is cheap PM Renny: does the same PM up7500: I had to point my MOM’s router to google for DNS due to how bad her ISP was. PM ben: do u block dns request not going to opendns? PM ben: if u don’t block dns request except to opendns u can bypass the opendns blocking by using a different dns PM ben: disable UPNP!!!! PM tinkererguy: ah, shownotes, here’s some URLs, sorry, should have shared up front PM tinkererguy: PM tinkererguy: best overall list of my network related articles here: PM tinkererguy: PM jpeg2RAW_Mike: What if you have 3 PM ben: yes PM CanadianGeek: it would yes PM jpeg2RAW_Mike: pfSense can handle UPnP and with 3 Xbox’s, UPnP makes it much easier PM ben: there is a program to test i’ll find it PM ben: yes lanspeed works well PM CanadianGeek: why not have an internal port on your pfscense box for each switch?? PM OtherJim: Good idea CG PM CanadianGeek: instead of doing a switch off of switch PM Nathaniel: the trick is getting the wired connetion to the rooms I want it. I’m going to have to think through that idea. PM Nathaniel: like a 4 port NIC? PM Renny: Lot more cable to run PM ben: I have used lanspeed and used it to proove a switch was being saturated PM CanadianGeek: well you may have to check the pci slots on the pfscense box to see what it can support. You could get a single port pci card for the pfscense server PM ben: just get a 16 or 24 port GB switch PM CanadianGeek: also check what pfscense supports the cards PM Nathaniel: I do use the built-in NIC and a PCI gigabit NIC in the Pfsense box PM Nathaniel: the gig nic goes to a single 8-port gigabit switch PM Renny: I agree Joe Miner PM CanadianGeek: awwww misinterprited, my bad PM Renny: I have had video issues on 10/100 switches PM CanadianGeek: depends on the size of the videos you’re streaming through the network. There could be issues PM OtherJim: My first home router had no wifi, but it had a serial port and could dial a 56k modem! PM Nathaniel: this one? PM ben: yes PM ben: did u see a difference between cat5 cat5e and cat6 wire PM flyboyco: i have never noticed the difference PM Nathaniel: Dlink DGL-4500 PM CanadianGeek: I’ve noticed a difference between cat5 and cat6, but the difference between cat5e and cat6 is so slim it’s hardly noticble. PM Renny: Cat5/6 only really makes a difference over longer distances PM CanadianGeek: and through put Renny PM Nathaniel: does POE show a difference on Cat5e vs. Cat 6 PM Nathaniel: / PM Nathaniel: ? PM Renny: Cat6 less prone to interference too (better shielding) PM CanadianGeek: cat5e and 6 is a distance thing, but not cat5 and 6 PM tinkererguy: sorry, never had to use power over ethernet, not sure about your good question Nathaniel PM Nathaniel: not at home, no. just curious for work. 🙂 PM flyboyco: renny, i agree, but I have never seen the difference PM Renny: @flyboy they are almost the same price these days so I just go w ith 6 PM flyboyco: for the small cost difference, use 6. PM flyboyco: renny, i totally agree. PM OtherJim: Agreed PM ben: small cost diff for house maybe office it gets costly PM flyboyco: if it’s an office, the difference will be noticed in the next couple years PM Renny: Cat6 is future proof for 10Gig too, so just use it PM Jim theHost: PM tinkererguy: John’s legendary bookmarking talents documented here: PM tinkererguy: PM Renny: Stutzman Style PM Jim theHost: PM tinkererguy: PM flyboyco: i’m done with wife’s video. just curious about the Drobo deal… didi I miss the cue? PM Jim theHost: not yet…let me do that PM Renny: nope PM CanadianGeek: @jim thehost, good start for networking PM flyboyco: SWEET PM ben2: cat5e can handle 10g PM KS: Cat7 for 10G, but even that does not meet the distance specs of ethernet. PM Jackie_Kingsley: ok, cool 🙂 PM flyboyco: (sorry, jim the host) I feel like I was cheating on you… PM ben2: ben2 is ben (clicked something while on the phone PM flyboyco: but it WAS my wife PM Renny: There’s a catch, only Australians can enter PM OtherJim: lol PM Jazzerjay: haha PM CanadianGeek: roland?? PM flyboyco: I know Roland PM flyboyco: $$$$$$$$$$$$$$$$$ PM flyboyco: someone had to… PM OtherJim: Drobo with NIC is kind of new PM Renny: they used to make synthasizers PM ben2: try synology boxes PM up7500: Just threw the word in. PM Renny: cant find it PM Jim theHost: ROLAND PM Jim theHost: Drobo word of the show PM jpeg2RAW___Mike: total crap John PM tinkererguy: very nice Mike PM tinkererguy: I know you jest PM tinkererguy: trying to get him to react 😉 PM jpeg2RAW_Mike: iP hone is so yesterday PM OtherJim: Grandpa has an iPhone like your’s Mike PM jpeg2RAW_Mike: WHat I want him to reacto to is how slow the Intel 3770k is compaed to my AMD chip PM jpeg2RAW_Mike: 8 real cores vs 4 real+4 fake PM Nathaniel: thems fighting words PM jpeg2RAW_Mike: My AMD 8 core is kicking the butt of my i7 3770k in Wirecast PM jpeg2RAW_Mike: I am having to overclock the 3770k to to get it somewhat close PM tinkererguy: you overclock it, I heard you mention recently, to keep Wirecast happy PM tinkererguy: (same wavelength) PM Jazzerjay: no PM CanadianGeek: No doesn’t matter at this point PM CanadianGeek: you’re alright Jim PM CanadianGeek: cat6 is cheap also, 1000 feet for $120 at monoprice PM OtherJim: No writing, it is Cat3 or less PM up7500: I will switch to CAT 6 when my currnet box of Cat5E runs out, still got about 600 ft left. PM CanadianGeek: alot of stuff goes in the range PM jpeg2RAW_Mike: wierd, we don’t have any interfernce issues that I have ever noticed PM CanadianGeek: baby monitors, wifi, wireless home phones, microwaves….amungst others PM OtherJim: I’ve seen the microwave effect. Wii on wifi drops, but I don’t care. PM Nathaniel: got the baby monitors here, too. PM up7500: anybody else ever have problems with bluetooth when the microwave is on also. PM KS: PM OtherJim: Yes, BT uses GHz too. Same problem. PM CanadianGeek: Hey Direct quote Nat, PM CanadianGeek: 🙂 PM CanadianGeek: I love appartment buildings. I can break out my backtrack 5 and have some entertainment PM tinkererguy: PM Renny: AC rolling out now PM Nathaniel: thx PM CanadianGeek: No worries Nathaniel PM Renny: As usual AC not a standard yet PM Nathaniel: good times PM CanadianGeek: awwwww no networking protacals??? How disappointing 🙁 PM CanadianGeek: Could you repeat the rolls?? PM CanadianGeek: if the rolls are running in the hyper-v vms it should be fine PM Jim theHost: I am going to set up failover for the hyper v’s but i also want to set up dhcp, domain controller dns active directory but I have heard that you should not install those rolls on the data cente r direc PM CanadianGeek: Yeah don’t worry about it. He’s good in the hood PM CanadianGeek: Pass on that he should have the secondaries set to the other system. PM OtherJim: John has the best documented shade tree ever! PM flyboyco: great show! sorry for the distraction… PM Renny: All part of the fun Flyboy PM flyboyco: Thanks renny! Enjoy the 30degree weather PM Renny: you too,lol PM flyboyco: 🙂 PM Renny: On it PM Jackie_Kingsley: goodnight all 🙂 PM OtherJim: Thanks guys, very good show PM flyboyco: Jim, hows the nabreaska snow? PM Jim theHost: thanks guys PM CanadianGeek: Have a good one Jackie PM CanadianGeek: And all PM Nathaniel: so fun PM Jim theHost: lots of snow here PM Jim theHost: school is cancelled for tomorrow PM flyboyco: we had 6: of powder in two days. push broom stuff PM flyboyco: I heard Kansas was CLOSED PM Jim theHost: where are you flyboy? PM flyboyco: denver PM Jim theHost: oh yea PM CanadianGeek: alright I’m out guys, ttyl PM flyboyco: (keith from denver PM flyboyco: See ya CG! PM flyboyco: Just got the Audio Technica. sweet mic for the $ PM Renny: You podcast Flyboy? PM Jim theHost: love me the 2100! PM Jim theHost: very nice mic PM flyboyco: just getting rady to. (wife’s indusyrt) PM Renny: cool PM flyboyco: She has been in her business for several years, but no serious podcasts yet. we are going to try PM OtherJim: John, you need the free MS ZoomIT make it easy to show stuff. PM OtherJim: PM OtherJim: (It is not part of the show tonight, so no big deal.) PM Jim theHost: did you listen to the interviews with the podcasting guys PM Jim theHost: flyboy? PM flyboyco: I did. We were ready to start, great timing. Really apprciate the interviews Jim PM Jim theHost: cool PM OtherJim: Look at the tower of linksys! PM Jim theHost: are you suggesting something OtherJim? 🙂 PM OtherJim: It is so cool! PM OtherJim: You used USB for the VZW device? PM flyboyco: I think I have the tools… We are getting a few shows layed out before we atsrt. trying to be ready for a few shows before we start PM Jim theHost: let me know if you have any questions keith PM flyboyco: for sure. I have a bunch of questions, but will try to be ready before I “call”. PM Jim theHost: well. when you are ready…let me know PM Renny: Jim, you up for a short video as part of the show next week? On installing ethernet? PM Jim theHost: youtube video? PM Renny: no. original PM Jim theHost: your video? PM Renny: yep PM Jim theHost: can you ship it to me? PM Renny: of course PM Jim theHost: I think we can do it PM Renny: Give it a go anyway and see what you think PM flyboyco: thats cool PM flyboyco: ATR2100! PM Renny: Great idea for a show Jim, Thanks all for a really informative show PM flyboyco: renny – thanks for humoring me. PM flyboyco: great show all! PM Nathaniel: thanks, I had a great time. PM Jim theHost: thanks guys PM Jim theHost: great having you all PM Renny: Glad to be of assistance PM John S: Thanks everyone for coming out PM John S: I had a great time