Jay Mattison from Tek Everything – HGG417

We were joined by Jay Mattison from https://tekeverything.com/. Jay is a Youtuber who passionate about small form factor PC and all things tech. We spend some time getting to know Jay and find out that he is also a gadget guy. Lots of product conversation and updates. I think you will enjoy the show.

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Jim Collison  [0:00] 
This is The Average Guy Network and you have found Home Gadget Geeks show number 417 recorded on September 26 2019.

Here on Home Gadget Geeks we cover all your favorite tech gadgets that find their way into your home, news, review and product updates, for the average tech guy. I’m your host Jim Collison broadcasting live from the average guy TV Studios and here Mike fall is finally we’ve been talking about this for a while fall is finally your Jay we’re sending some cooler weather your way by the way now. All the Nebraka right, Mike?

Mike Wieger  [0:45] 
Yes, it has and just in time for Husker game day those Husker Saturday’s are perfect for sitting outside and watching the game sitting around and you can even start a fire at night last week hand of fire to fire to the fireplace outside for the first time and sat around the fire. It was just it’s perfect

Jim Collison  [1:01] 
Fall in Nebraska is pretty great. It sounds much better. It’s pretty great leaves come down. I mean, it makes it’s one of those seasons that makes it worth living here if you put up with a summer or winter or spring is nice. But of course we post the show with world class show notes each week and at the average guy.tv in this case HGG 417 and they will be there will have a lot of links that show you might want to follow Don’t forget you can follow us on our mobile app if you want to download that absolutely free Android iPhone works great. I just reinstalled it the other day and I was like oh this is pretty cool. head out to Home Gadget Geeks calm and you can just download it right from their best way to listen on the road and stream it live from it. We want to thank our Patreon subscribers for that as well. Join us in the Facebook group or on discord the average guy TV slash Facebook or the average guy.tv slash discord to get that as well tonight, Jay Mattison is joining us He is kind of the the brains and the brawn behind tech everything which is both his site, YouTube channel and his Twitter Jay, welcome to Home Gadget Geeks.

Jay Mattison  [2:04] 
Thank you guys for having me. It’s great. It’s great.

Jim Collison  [2:07] 
Good to have you. I’ve been following you on YouTube for a while and I’ve been watching your setups you’re a perfect match for this audience. They love this stuff. And so if you haven’t already, you might want to head over to his YouTube channel. Just tech TK everything super easy and subscribe to that. Over there. Jay, how often do you think you post your YouTube video

Jay Mattison  [2:28] 
now? Are you? That’s a great question. I’d love to say every week, but honestly, it’s been a little sporadic lately. I try to post at least two videos a month. Typically, that’s usually what it is. And the next during the winter. I’m definitely gonna ramp up. So it should be around every week. I really want to hit that every week market. Yeah,

Jim Collison  [2:47] 
yeah. Do you find if you’re posting more? Is it getting more engagements that way? Does it drop off a little bit? Okay.

Jay Mattison  [2:53] 
Yeah, so if you don’t, personally, I just posted a video on Sunday, this last Sunday. And I hadn’t posted one I think and over a month at that point. If YouTube algorithm if you don’t post regularly, they definitely ding you and they don’t post your video as much you know, your subs don’t see it. And also, it doesn’t go up in the recommended section as much. So you definitely feel it, but from my lifestyle and where my channel is. It’s just I can’t really post consistently all the time. So you just got to kind of roll with it.

Jim Collison  [3:20] 
Wait a minute, you’re not like a full time youtuber and you that’s all you do. You’re just not a full

Jay Mattison  [3:24] 
time youtuber making millions of every video now. It’s it’s 1000 subscribers.

Jim Collison  [3:29] 
Is that enough?

Jay Mattison  [3:30] 
Yeah, that’s, I’m a billionaire.

Now, it’s it’s not I’m not a full time youtuber at all. I think most people I will say that most people, when they switch to YouTube, you can tell just based on how frequently they start posting the type of content that they make. Because it becomes a business all of a sudden, you know, and that’s fine. I get it. That’s, that’s totally normal. But I really want to keep this as as light and fun and easy as possible for me and fit YouTube into my life. Obviously, I work full time. So that’s that’s really where at where I am with that and how I want to keep at least for the for the short term.

Jim Collison  [4:06] 
Yeah, no, it’s good to know. I mean, it’s good to have that like, you know, kind of what you want to do and you know, your limitations and, and those your website, everything tech, all one word, sorry, tech, everything. All one word. You got a lot of reviews out there, which was first did you do your website first and then move to YouTube? Or was it YouTube? Or did it come together?

Jay Mattison  [4:23] 
Yeah. So funny story, actually, for this will take a trip down memory lane. So when I was 2322, ish, wee lad. I started a site, different site called tech writer, which I thought was very cool the time. And it was basically the same concept. Except it was just a more general tech text. I quoted that website by myself by hand. It was horrible. It’s a nightmare. I had a YouTube channel that’s still up. It’s all bad. It’s just it’s brutal. But that was my first sight. So I started a website first started doing articles, reviews, iPhone reviews, and anything I get my hands on. That failed. Obviously, it was bad. I didn’t know what I was doing. So I stopped that. And then I started this up again when I was 29, I guess so that was like three or four years ago. And then I started with the YouTube channel first. So that was a goal, I decided that you that video was the way that kind of everything was moving, you know, printed press and articles on websites, that’s fine. But I wanted that to kind of support the video. So you watch the video, you get a general idea you like the thing, you can click to the article, see more pictures, more images, links, all that fun stuff. So definitely a YouTube channel came first. And I kind of launched the website right along with it. And they just kind of work hand to hand they feed each other and it’s worked so well so far.

Jim Collison  [5:43] 
Do you find with your website? Or do you get as much feedback on your website as you do on the YouTube channel? Or is does most of it come in through YouTube?

Jay Mattison  [5:51] 
Yeah, I’d say probably 85% comes to you too. I mean, YouTube is more of a social platform. people searching on the on the site, they are lot of the people that come to the site came from YouTube in the first place. So

Jim Collison  [6:03] 
yeah, it feeds the other way around. It kind of feeds the site. I mean, in the early days when we were blogging more than we were, we were podcasting and blogging, right. And then the site was everything. And so people go to the site and leave comments and right, it was pretty easy to do that. Your for your job. It will tell us I won’t say it. But you tell us what do you do for a living? What kind of stuff you do, you’re not doing this full time, you got to make some money somehow for that the sweet, that sweet rig that you got behind you?

Jay Mattison  [6:31] 
Well, I am a circus clown. So got my classes back there. You know, I worked in tech. So obviously, that’s a natural extension. I work in SEO. So I’m a technical SEO, if anyone doesn’t know what that means search engine optimization. So basically I do that for e commerce websites. So basically make them work better and make more money. Long story short, and do a little front end development. That’s kind of what my background was. Yeah, that’s that’s the where the money comes from. I guess. Yeah,

Jim Collison  [7:04] 
that’s what that’s what pays the bills, right? Yeah. How’d you how’d you get interested in tech? What was the for you? What was the spark that kind of got you in this space? What age what really turned it where you really wanted to do tech stuff?

Jay Mattison  [7:18] 
I thought about this a lot because people ask this question, because it’s like a very if you meet me in public, you wouldn’t be like, oh, that guy runs a tech review site. You know, it’s like see, it’s a kind of a little bit random. But I think the true Genesis was playing with Legos. When I was a kid building with my hands. I always loved building and tinkering. I was a kind of kid who would take things apart. My Nintendo, my Game Gear, remote controls anything. So I think it’s always kind of been there. And I grew up my dad, he always had stereos and speakers, and he was making stuff and doing cool stuff. So I think it was kind of put in me from a young age, even going through high school, I played sports, but I came home and I wanted to tinker and game and do all that stuff. So it’s been pretty consistent. Honestly, throughout my whole life, I think I fell into the PC side of it. little later in life, because obviously that’s that can be an expensive hobby. You know, you can play video games and Game Boys all day long. But I started off their gaming. Then I fell into home theater that was kind of my first love and first foray into tech. Then I slid now obviously into the PC space, and now into the small form factor PC space. So it’s really all interesting to me. Honestly, I love pretty much all things tech. It could be anything from TVs, I really love home theater as well. But that’s that’s kind of the Genesis I guess I’d say.

Jim Collison  [8:37] 
Why form? Why small form factor pc? Like what what what has gotten you into that niche? Because that’s super niche II, right when we think about the PC space, but what is it about that? And I know you’ve done some reviews, you talk about that on your channel quite a bit. But what interests you about that? And is that the most interesting thing in tech right now for you?

Jay Mattison  [8:56] 
That’s a good question. I would say what interested me at least initially, one, I just thought they look cool. To be perfectly honest. You know, I just thought it was really cool. Having an ultra compact system that you could slide on your desk. I mean, you can see in my in my background, I guess right there, that’s a full PC case, right there. You know, it’s it sits right on top of the tabletop. And I also thought that some of the larger systems, the traditional ATX cases, that sort of thing, they’re just getting stale. I mean, it was just a black box with the glass panel, they all kind of look the same. There are some LEDs in there and some fans. And I really, I really thought that was a little bit boring. There were a million channels doing that also. And I if I was going to make a YouTube channel on a site, I wanted to be for something unique that people could actually learn and get something from. So there’s a small form factor community that has a small community. So kind of needed some exposure, I thought, and there was really no one doing it. So I figured that’d be a good way for me to go out and get some exposure and have some fun doing it.

Jim Collison  [9:55] 
Will will I’ll take this opportunity to thank Ryan Kirshner, who came on two weeks ago, he did some cases big and small. We covered that whole gamut. And yeah, it’s interesting in the tech space, although I think on the higher ends of the bigger cases, there’s some interesting like, you can really spend some money on some of those cases, right? And we kind of deck them out and, and get everything and they’ve got they’ve got some nice design, kind of, you know, in them as well. In the small so if I’m today, maybe I don’t I haven’t followed the the small PC market. What kind of things What are people talking about there? What’s the, you know, in these niches? There’s always something they’re trying to get them faster or cooler or Yeah, right. Everybody’s a race for something. What is that in the mini or the the micro PC market?

Jay Mattison  [10:43] 
So I guess Typically, what people are always talking about is power supplies and cooling. So there’s always a struggle to find a smaller and smaller power supply. And then a cooler that is compact, but can also handle these larger parts. So you know, like HTC, 700, K, powerful six core chip, not super crazy hard to cool can fit in most small form factor systems, the newer 9900 Ks, not so much. So it’s always a race against heat, thermal dissipation and trying to find a cooler that can handle cooling those CPUs in these kind of cases. And then also, typically, it’s what graphics card you should pick. So you have a very limited supply, if you’re going with an ultra compact system that there will always be single fans, small form factor cards. So it’s picking the right card. What games do you play? What are you willing to be without, because there’s typically compromises associated with these kind of systems. And that’s, that’s really typically it. There’s a lot of really cool power supplies that are coming out. So if you if you guys are familiar with HD Plex, at all, have you heard that name before it’s there’s a site called AC Plex, calm, really simple. I reviewed a few of their things, I think the he Plex 300. But they make dcvc power supplies, it’s basically a board that goes inside your case. And then there’s an external power brick. So you can power some really monstrous small little vector cases, and basically have all of the heat generated components sitting outside. So there’s been a lot of movement lately in that kind of department where you’re seeing some really cool power supplies, and really unique builds in combat cases. And that’s typically what if you go on the forums, what people are talking about, and also scratch builds custom cases, there’s always a new custom case manufacturer, you can see behind me, I have a bunch of them just on the wall, I’ve got a million more in the closet and some more actually in the mail. Okay, so there’s always a new case design, tweaking this, that adding ventilation, taking away adding a fan spot, you know that there’s an endless supply of tweaking and tweaking out there, really, really driving this thing.

Mike Wieger  [12:43] 
So if you’re taking all that stuff, external, right, you’re taking away heating components outside, why not just put it in a bigger case, and put it all together? Like what what is the benefit there? Well, what’s that niche market? What are they looking to accomplish by still having a small form factor, but take all that stuff external,

Jay Mattison  [13:00] 
I guess the number one thing I hear is portability. So you can have a compact system, throw it in the bag, land, party, friends house, whatever it may be, most of these systems are for gaming. So a lot of them are, you know, hardcore gamers that want more power than a laptop can provide. Or they have two places they live one place, they have an office over here, something like that. Also flexibility, you know, you can store or put that case in a much smaller space. And you can either say take the power supply or the actual brick underneath your desk, move it around, you can do all sorts of crazy things when they’re separate. So it is a little bit. It’s kind of like having a car and a trailer vers having a truck, something similar like that, you know. So there are some advantages. Now, when you start getting into the external PCs, does it always make sense? Now? Not necessarily, but once again, sometimes it just looks cool, you know, you just yeah,

Mike Wieger  [13:50] 
case that you like one thing and even like, you know, a home theater setup, right? Where if you only need like, I think of my setup right now, I wouldn’t go to fiddle full case. But I can, like you said, I can take that power slide back if I needed to. But as far as the outward facing odor look really sleek to have, if I needed it, right, a small floor backdoor for gaming, same sort of thing. So okay, interesting. So getting that out of there allows you to kind of hide that fact, but also still have that sleek, good looking, portable experience.

Jay Mattison  [14:19] 
And there are also internal bricks. So you take that external brick, shrink it, put a metal trout around it and put it internal. And then you can basically you’re separating and think of like an S effects power supply, which are the smallest power supplies that we have in mass systems, I guess you’d say mass market systems, it’s basically cutting that in half, you know, and moving them around in different parts of the case. So it just gives you a little more flexibility, you can do things that you couldn’t normally do with a full size power supply. Is there kind of a race in that market to get for, especially for gamers? Because they’re they’re kind of driving this space? Right? They want to have these small form factors, but get the most power? Is it? Do you feel like there’s still room? Are they on a regular basis? Are they getting more and more powerful? Or do you feel is ok, for sure. We’ve got DC DC power supplies that do 800 watts now. So I mean, if that’s ridiculous, that’s more power than you’re really going to ever fit inside of a compact case. There’s a guy on small form factor forum, I’m probably going to play them a lot. So that’s a great resource. If anyone cares about small compact computing. There’s a guy guy there, a lot of this stuff is driven from Asian craters in terms of actual power supplies, it seems. So it’s called g unique, did one video on one of his units, that was a 400 watt power supply. But he has some incredible just bored power supplies. So you just have a simple plug that goes into your computer, and everything else is done externally in his custom modded bricks. And you can get some crazy power figures. Is it safe all the time? Sure, it’s safe. But you know, there are risks associated with some of the things that’s not course there. You know, I mean, there’s not the extensive testing that’s done with some of the major manufacturers. But hopefully that changes in the future, if they see these things moving in numbers, you know, hey, we sold 20,000 units of x case and x power supply, it might pique their interest. So that’s kind of like my hope in the future that made that big manufacturers do take up this charge, and kind of develop products that fit into small compact cases, but do have that support of a major manufacturer.

Mike Wieger  [16:25] 
That’s like, I’m into ham radio, and they took so every ham radio needs a power supply. And so it’s usually external. And this company started taking these 100 to $200 power supplies, and they took everything off of it. And they just gave you the guts, essentially. And some people were just saying the guts It was like 13 bucks on Amazon, you could like have your switching power supply to be good. And is it safe? Uh, no, don’t touch anything but wasn’t

Jim Collison  [16:53] 
sure, yes. I hope

Mike Wieger  [16:55] 
that other people start to see those like, maybe you don’t need all the fancy, you know, just cover it up as and you’ll be good. Like, the guts worked fine. We took the guts out. You charged me a third of the price and it worked just fine. But just don’t touch it. Right. Like if hopefully you don’t have kids in there because

Jay Mattison  [17:13] 
going to look at it.

Mike Wieger  [17:15] 
Don’t even look at exactly, exactly but doesn’t work. Yes, it does. Very well.

Jim Collison  [17:20] 
Gee, what what inspired me to invite you on the show is I watched your move in you kind of I know that’s weird, like but you moved you were talking about it on your channel. And you’re saying in a new place you’re taking some stuff over you know that that the the rack that you set up behind you if you want a more detailed walkthrough of that a walkthrough of the rack That’s back there, you can watch us to his channel and watch that what was the most challenging thing and you probably have more gadgets than the than most right when we think about although I don’t know that to this channel. You don’t have to be a podcaster to have a lot of gear I like freeze the the guys and gals that listen to me here have tons I’ve nine PCs in my house. So like, I know, it’s like we’re not you know, we’re not coming over? Yeah, we don’t run short on that equipment. And that’s really common. But when you thought about moving, what was the biggest challenges moving all that stuff? And you seem like you’re a little bit of a minimalist to like you really like clean lines and hiding things and kind of do Yeah, what were your challenges when you were moving? Was that hard?

Jay Mattison  [18:21] 
Yeah, it’s funny that you say that, because that’s another thing. That’s another reason why I do like the small form factor systems, the very simple and just understand that you can put on the desk. It’s almost like a piece of furniture. And I think at my core, I definitely Mmm, minimalist, this shelf behind me is probably the messiest thing I would allow in terms of just the way it looks. But yeah, I think the major thing I was looking for was a place that had also obviously, I want to be able to live comfortably and have a nice apartment. But I also wanted a place where I could reasonably create and have a good space that was functional for me. And for videos. So before I didn’t necessarily have a dedicated studio. Now I kind of do. And as you can see if you if you saw that video, which you did, or people want to check it out, I’ve got this kind of custom shelving behind me their custom IKEA, you know, it works, it works. And but the room is really tailored and built around presenting the products that I have, in a way that’s you know, helpful for people that are watching videos, and also letting me create in a way that I want to create but also it’s livable, you know, I can watch the game on the couch over there. I can have friends over to the my desk. It’s relaxing, I can look out of the window. it’s it’s it’s really it’s really a functional space that also works for business, which I guess you could call this as well. Is your TV to the I guess my TV? Yeah, I would. Yeah, no, no, what? Yeah. But uh, yeah, so I’ve got the 55 inch o lead, which is a must. If you don’t have no lead, I would say just get one.

Mike Wieger  [19:55] 
Please. Is it worth the price? Is it worth the sticker price?

Jay Mattison  [19:58] 
If you care about image quality at all, I’d say absolutely. Yes. I’m the kind of person where if the blacks aren’t perfect, you know, contrast is all that bothers me because I’ve just been living with tech for you know, 20 years but some people care about that sort of thing some people don’t For me it was absolutely worth the money now it’s it’s expensive, for sure. But if you like home theater at all you got in you watch a lot of HD rips or blue 4k blu rays, like I still do. Yes, I still buy blu rays. It’s worth it.

Mike Wieger  [20:29] 
That well that’s I’ve been wondering because my wife and I’ve been holding out for like, we don’t even have 4k yet. We’re like, we need to wait when 4k first came out like I know it’s getting good. Let’s wait until it’s really good. Before we were fine. We have a 60 inch TTP. And to be honest, it’s okay. So Okay, the next one we upgrade to worry about right upgrade. Is it worth it to go that extra mile for the lead? You say? Yes. I think it’s one of the people I’ve heard say yes and no, because we have the high definition rips, right. We’re watching it. You know, what do you notice it in like a Netflix or, you know, apple? I don’t know where you get your movies from Apple, Microsoft anywhere? Do you notice that situation as well?

Jay Mattison  [21:09] 
Absolutely. So the great thing about Netflix is they hold all of their creators to the same standard in terms of video quality. So everything is going to be everything new at least is going to be 4k HDR, you can absolutely tell when you’re watching a 4k HDR show vers their standard HD, you know, it’s an AP movie, it’s really noticeable. HDR specifically, is something that even if you don’t get going, will it get a TV that’s bright enough to do actual real HDR, the brights and the contrast. It really is very impressive. So it really does add a lot. And then you also get an expanded color gamut with that. So it’s it’s definitely worth it for me, but I’m a crazy person. So I don’t I don’t really know. It’s really up to you. I’d say if you have like a this is kind of what I tell people. If you have like a dedicated room where you’re watching movies and TVs and stuff, then you can get a 60 plus inch TV. Go for it. If you just very casual, you know you’re watching, you know, friends reruns and football, it probably doesn’t matter. You know the man.

Mike Wieger  [22:09] 
Yeah. So what’s your box of choice right now as far as a media box? So what are you using to power all that 4k content? What’s your app of choice or sorry, box of choice.

Jay Mattison  [22:19] 
So I have a active HDMI cable that runs from my PC on my desktop, and PC routed? Yeah, routed to my, my actual TV. And then also, it has obviously I use all those streaming apps, Amazon, Netflix, all that good stuff, they all have really good 4k content, actually, which looks almost indistinguishable from actual blu rays. So which is great now, and the streaming has gotten a lot better. don’t really use any game systems actually outside of Nintendo Switch, which is just fun. So it’s really all PC streaming, basically.

Mike Wieger  [22:51] 
And it’s important for people to think about, right, they think about the TV so much. And they’re like, Hey, what are you going to use to power that 4k content? How are you going to get that into your TV? Not many average people, you know, are going to have the PC to hook up to it. So what are you going to use, right? Is it an Xbox One, because that does do 4k HDR, you’re going to pay some money, you’re not going to do the $30 roku stick, that’s not going to do it anymore. And the majority of people I help out because everyone at work, you know, when you’re when you’re the guy, the IT guy, they always come through with the questions. Hey, I got this stick, but I’m thinking about get this awesome TV. I’m like, okay, that’s great. You’re gonna have to upgrade that though. So what do you use into? You know, is it an Apple TV? 4k? Is it something and like, Oh, you mean, I can’t just like use that. And so it’s it’s that it’s the full kind of process. So it’s interesting that you use the PC, I think that probably is the best way to get, you know, the highest quality image to your TV, right? I mean, let’s think about the graphics card, you have nothing think about all the processing power, everything you have behind it, that’s probably going to be the best.

Jay Mattison  [23:50] 
Yeah, and you get the added benefit of being able to play games. So I can just pop on the game if I want to play

Mike Wieger  [23:55] 
or do that often.

Jay Mattison  [23:56] 
I do I do it pretty regularly. I don’t have enough time game as I used to. But when I did, it’s nice to just just get on the couch and pop it in like the Witcher three in 4k and just watch my computer struggle to do it. But you know, it’s still fun.

Jim Collison  [24:11] 
Right? A couple of comments from the chat room. Sean p says IKEA has great built the DJ table from there and then says we were talking about old news tickers can be harmful. Right when you talk about Joe said scared of the burden. I have kids.

Jay Mattison  [24:26] 
So you know, the burden has they’ve gotten a lot better. Especially the newer models of the screen shift and some of the other technologies they use. But it’s definitely still risk. You know, you’ve got super bright images, and the organic nature of old LEDs. It’s tough. There’s definitely risk if you have kids watching Sesame Street or whatever. Is that a good show kids still watch?

Mike Wieger  [24:46] 
Oh, yeah, my kids aren’t sky kids. Yeah, I got a three year old and one and a half year old Sesame Street is very popular in our house.

Jay Mattison  [24:53] 
So I’m still current with the kids are good. Good. Yeah, yeah. So whatever they watch Yeah, that can get burned in Super. For sure.

Mike Wieger  [24:59] 
Jason that’s me though. So I maybe I don’t understand that how does you know I burn in for me is you leave something on your on for a long time and it burns in that screen, right? The same image but with something that’s changing all the time, what am I concerned about with burnin.

Jay Mattison  [25:14] 
So if you’re constantly changing, then you really have no issue. But if you leave, like a static image on the screen for extended period of time, and it’s not, you’ll hear people say like a half hour, it’s really not that dramatic. We’re talking two hours and then so

Mike Wieger  [25:28] 
it’s when kids leave, pause and leave the TV right and walk away for hours. Okay,

Jay Mattison  [25:32] 
exactly. Or you watch like, you know, news now where you’re watching like Fox, every day, you’re watching the Morning News, or whatever it is, right. And it’s burned in every day for three hours, four hours, and then just keeps happening. Stuff like that can lead to burn in on the LEDs. But if you’re just using a TV Normally, you know like casually watching change the channel, you should be fine. Like I haven’t had a single issue and I watch football all day Sunday that score boxes burned in. So it’s really not as big of a deal as people making

Jim Collison  [26:01] 
the score box. You know, there was a day there was a day they didn’t show the score. I wasn’t I when I was when I was growing up. You’d have to wait to the commercials to get the JF You sound like I said, I had to walk uphill both ways in the snow old guy. When I was old when I was young. I’m Jay, if you couldn’t use your PC to drive your to drive your TV? Are you a Plex guy at all? And if you didn’t have the PC, what do you think you drive it with?

Jay Mattison  [26:29] 
I used to be the Home media server guy I used to do.

Jim Collison  [26:32] 
Oh yeah, you would fit in this community? Well,

Mike Wieger  [26:35] 
our community loves

Jay Mattison  [26:36] 
I was big, big into that back in like the ripping days, which aren’t as prevalent because of streaming now. But I still have Plex, you know, I still have probably five 600 movies and tons of music. But I find that I’m not using as much as I used to simply because because I can turn on my Netflix and or Amazon and basically streaming the same movie. But I do have it. I have a secondary media PC that’s set up just for that hooked up to my router. So yeah, I do have flex, but I wouldn’t say that I’m super into it as much as I used to be kind of something I gotta I gotta get back into.

Jim Collison  [27:12] 
Yeah, why? Why do you have to get back into it? I mean, it’s streaming is taken over, right? I mean, it has Yeah, but I can affect bad, don’t you like Is it

Unknown Speaker  [27:21] 
love are still I do.

Jay Mattison  [27:22] 
And I also don’t trust the streaming platforms that they’re going to have everything I want when I want it, you know, and I mean, if something leaves Netflix, then I gotta go hunt for it on 12 different platforms. That to me is annoying. I really want to make sure I still have at least my favorites all backed up in some sort of sort of HD format. So I think when I get a house and home theater setup, because I’m still in a two bedroom apartment here. That’s the next step then I’ll probably go back to home theater room, blacks, everything popcorn all that fun stuff.

Mike Wieger  [27:53] 
And I think really four Plex they saw that coming so the live TV you know, right getting into and being able to have plenty you’re now your DVR. That was huge for them. Because that’s really what kept my wife and I in it was well, okay, maybe if we don’t everything’s streaming well, but our in our local channels, plugin antenna that’s in our attic, and we’ve got live TV, we’ve got all of our recorded shows. And it’s there. And it’s there when we need it. So I think they they’ve kind of seen that to where the streaming has gotten to a point where it’s so much easier. I’m not paying for hard drive space. Right. And yeah, I’ve been with I’m with you there. We’ve we’ve stayed in it because of those certain niche things. Number one, especially for our kids, they watch things over and over and over. It’s the PBS and that’s a that’s something I can DVR on the Plex. Right? Right. And then not sure what my bandwidth cap because they have it on 24. Seven. So it’s it’s it’s those sort of niche things that that keeps the Plex alive.

Jay Mattison  [28:51] 
So you you store everything in the cloud. You don’t keep like a local NAS or anything like that. me.

Mike Wieger  [28:57] 
No, I do I have I have a big server. Not big. I mean, it’s 36 terabytes. But it’s it that’s my Plex. It stores everything locally. I don’t I don’t have anything in the cloud. I run.

Jay Mattison  [29:07] 
I’m a surgeon.

Mike Wieger  [29:08] 
Yeah, I run next cloud. So for all my files, like as a Dropbox replacement. Everything I do is local. My Password Manager is bit Warden, which is local open source. So I’m actually really the server if it’s a bit the dust, I’m kind of in trouble. I backup to the cloud, in certain circumstances. But no, I do everything local. I love it. But, but for everything else for streaming where Netflix or Amazon, we’re all of them. Right? It does, it hasn’t saved me any money because I’m still paying for all the streaming services, YouTube TV for cable. TV, love it, absolutely love it. The only downside, I’m a huge my wife and I watch, there’s not an NFL game, we don’t watch. One of them might be playing right now on the other screen. So like there’s not a game we don’t watch without red zone. We we do it where I mean, we pay her parents who have dish and we get login for NFL red zone. And so we log in with that that’s the only channel we miss. But other than that it’s you know, unlimited cloud DVR watch at wherever we want. And for $55 a month, that’s a fraction of the price of what we’re doing before.

Jay Mattison  [30:14] 
So what about switching? I thought about switching do you have? I’ve had Comcast and you’re paying for cable through them? Yeah, so I have cable and internet bundle, which is obviously a nightmare. But I thought about switching, I still want to cut the cord, obviously. But what concerns me honestly, is with the proliferation of all these streaming services, and now we have Apple coming out, it’s going to be 1099 a month times seven, which essentially is going to be the same as paying your Comcast bill which is you know, right by and I guess, but it’s almost like what’s the point I might as well just keep Comcast at the

Mike Wieger  [30:47] 
end, it comes down to I think there’s a there’s a fine line, you just do the math and whatever the math comes out to right for us, with the amount of boxes we are paying for. It was just ridiculous. Like because we have these TVs where we need to sometimes watch cable, and I’m not the type to go move a box just to watch it. But like her parents are in town, they’re in the guest room, they need a box, right? Or you’re out, you know, and we have like the outside. It’s like it was just for us. We were paying almost 60 $70 in boxes. And so you just gotta do the math for you. If you know back when we were in our apartment, we had no problem paying cable because it was just us. And yeah, you know, two, maybe two boxes, we needed our bedroom in the living room. It was great. So it’s just it’s it’s a math, it’s a math problem for everyone. It’s not the best. And you’re right, because I saw a YouTube TV just jumped up again to $55. Start, I started paying $35 for them. And now I’m paying 55 right. So like, what is this going to end up being? Yeah. And that that’s without HBO that’s without Showtime. There’s no add ons there. That’s just the basics. But they get all the sports, right? They have Fs one, they’ve got every single sport channel you can imagine except for NFL Network. Still waiting for that. So there’s there’s given take.

Jim Collison  [31:57] 
So NFL on YouTube is great now from a highlight standpoint. So Mike, I can’t watch every game on there. And so NFL has their own channel now on YouTube. And within an hour of the game being over there producing full highlights that you can just go view that on YouTube. And it’s freaking amazing. So Sunday’s, I’ll watch one of the games. And then in between or Sunday evenings in between the last set of games and Sunday night. I just start rolling just ripping through the highlights, right. Yeah, kind of catch every game that’s kind of kind of sweet. So you know where I just don’t have time to sit and watch every single game although, so for the first time ever Sunday, I was in Gainesville, Florida. had nothing to do in the evening, and I watched my very first complete game in a sports bar ever. Like I’ve never I’ve never done that I’ve never had the time or even wanting to and you know nothing to do in town. I’m gonna say I stopped I gotta start doing that a lot more.

Jay Mattison  [32:57] 
Who are they? Why

Unknown Speaker  [32:59] 
are you why gamer?

Jim Collison  [33:00] 
know we watched the we watched the end. Well, we watched them all so we watched the end of the chiefs. The end of the Chiefs game so we came yes ravens came watch the end of that. And then we stayed and watched all those afternoon games. That were there’s a bunch Yeah, yeah. Cuz then where we sat all TVs I was like, man, I this is kind of nice. I don’t have to pay for the NFL ticket. I did pay for the beer that you do you do a couple. Do a couple of those. But so it didn’t. So JD a fine with as busy as you are working making YouTube this. This is my problem by I’m so busy. I’m watching lesson light. So I have all these technologies, but I’m watching less than less TV. You know, maybe a little more YouTube that I used to. Do you find the same thing?

Jay Mattison  [33:46] 
Yeah, I would definitely say I watch more YouTube than TV for sure. Now there are shows that I like that I obviously set aside time for but I watch a lot of YouTube. Like honestly, I wish that they could give me like viewer metrics would probably be embarrassed. So

Jim Collison  [34:01] 
I do like to do you subscribe? Are you kind of like do you use YouTube? Like we use our podcast feed where you kind of now can subscribe subscriptions so good on YouTube? Do you find you subscribe and you come home and there’s some there’s that little red number up on your YouTube and you just start rolling through your channels? Who’s up? Who’s one of my wife? Walter, do you primarily watch tech? Or do you find you kind of have a variety of things that you all you also watch?

Jay Mattison  [34:29] 
I’d say I watch probably 70% tech 30% Sports I watch a lot of like football scouting videos, obviously play a lot of fantasy sports. So I’m kind of locked into that. I love sports to so probably almost maybe text here. Sports is right here. Pretty close. But so I watch a lot of that but mostly tech and also I do watch a lot of car videos too. I love cars. So tech related and then sports for sure.

Jim Collison  [34:57] 
gotta gotta got a car that you prefer to follow a certain brand or a certain genre them.

Jay Mattison  [35:03] 
I am not a brand loyalists, and I don’t I don’t want to be that way with the cars because they’re all bad, to be perfectly honest. But I do like the idea of German cars. Audi’s Mercedes, I think I have Audi right now. So that’s kind of where I’m at at the moment. But yeah, I don’t want to say I love one more than the other. Actually, you know what? I like? McLaren. That’s probably my favorite. choice. Yeah, good. Good. Yeah.

Jim Collison  [35:30] 
That’s good. calm. You’re, you’re in the Philly area. Do you find is there a tech? Is there like a Do you have a local tech community that you do stuff with? Or is there a Do you do anything locally around tech? Or is it pretty much just through all Honestly?

Jay Mattison  [35:45] 
Yeah, I don’t I don’t do a ton locally. There are I do more with my actual job and work in terms of like presentations speaking than I do, around actually PC hardware, the tech everything stuff. And I think that’ll probably change a little but as I go forward. For the most part, I’ve been kind of just honestly a loner about this simply because I didn’t want to commit to doing things I didn’t have time to do. I didn’t want to, you know what I mean? I’ve had people reach out and say, Hey, can we do videos, you know, and I just wasn’t in a place where that was really practical to do so I didn’t want to commit. But I think that’ll probably change a little bit going into the fall winter here and going out to the next year. I would like to do like a local podcast or something. Do some events here. You know, anything? I can? Yeah, I have a couple friends in the area, you know, that I’ve grown up with and stuff that are in the tech, but really not a ton of people? Actually, if I’m honest.

Jim Collison  [36:37] 
Yeah. It’s it’s hard. We we’ve done some Midwest meetups. For we for a lot of years, we get together in Indianapolis and a bunch of us would you know from the Midwest or Texas or wherever we get together I guess that’s in the Midwest. And and it was it was fun. We get together and do that in on the east coast. Everything’s so dense that you would think that would be easier. I think it happens less in some of those.

Jay Mattison  [37:00] 
And that’s what’s so angry over here.

Jim Collison  [37:04] 
throw snowballs at Santa come.

Unknown Speaker  [37:07] 
There it is. I was wondering how long

Jim Collison  [37:11] 
the Yeah, it’s that’s what Phillies known for after and you’re going to be kind of an old guy to know that reference.

Jay Mattison  [37:18] 
Yes, it’s a good one. Now, if you actually watch that video, it’s on YouTube. It’s pretty funny.

Jim Collison  [37:23] 
It’s in? I think they did a whole 3430 on that.

Jay Mattison  [37:25] 
Yeah, there’s there’s some kind of special on it.

Jim Collison  [37:29] 
It’s great. On tech, everything you’re on the website, you do you have a lot of reviews, you’re involved in some stuff. So yes. As you think about in the last I know, let’s say summer, when you think about gadgets that you’ve reviewed, or you’ve worked on or come through your channel or whatever, what do you we talked a little bit about the small form factor PCs, but on the gadget side of things, right? What what gets you excited? What do you like? What do you what do you like to follow? What do you like to review? What are your some of your favorite things to review, outside of the PC space?

Jay Mattison  [37:57] 
I think outside of the PC space for sure. and stuff that actually I think video I’m probably going to produce for this weekend, the audio space and headphones, like I’ve been super, super excited about headphones. Actually Funny enough, I’ve got focal LX here. So that’s one and then I’ve got what else we have, oh, the Audio Technica RCMDX right there. And then the bear dynamic DT 1990. So these are three awesome headphones that I’m kind of going to do a shootout on. I’ve been super super into audio silently, I guess you would say. So that’s cool. And then also laptops, I really like the direction that Intel is going with their new chips. And the prominent some really awesome laptops, I’ve got what I have here, I have my reasonably stealth, this is actually an amazing laptop is a 13 inch laptop that you can do full 4k video edits on with no issue, play most games at 30 to 60 frames, it’s got a MX 150 isn’t that powerful, but it gets the job done. So I think with these new six core mobile chips that are coming out, that’s super, super interesting that in the audio space, so DAX you know, amps, that stuff is fun to me as well. That’s, that’s really kind of exciting. I’m really excited to see where that’s going to go in the next year. So

Jim Collison  [39:20] 
laptops I that’s a that’s an interesting space, because I just I don’t you know, I haven’t you don’t hear too much buzz around it.

Jay Mattison  [39:29] 
But it’s typically boring. It’s like, oh, here’s a here’s a laptop, it does the same thing and closes you know what I mean? But they’re getting kind of exciting in terms of what they can do versus desktop.

Mike Wieger  [39:40] 
Yeah, I mean, that’s what that’s what makes it interesting to me. And that’s why I’m really interested in actually hearing what you’re doing those laptops, because it’s the one space to me, where you still have some room to really innovate, right? It’s easier to take a desktop PC and just add a new cards so that you can constant replace them. But what can we fit into the laptop? It’s almost like why you’re into small form factor, right? It’s me, you’re into the laptop where it is I’ve got a laptop, I can fold it up, put it in my bag, take it and then I can whip it out, I can do a full 4k edit, right? Like when you think of the big especially, like you think of MKDHD right? When he goes out to to Apple he takes if he can take off laptop and edit read footage, you know, when does it get to that point where you’ve got all that in the laptop? That’s interesting. You kind of forget that that’s kind of a sleeper area where you’re like, Well, no, this is the one area we’ll probably see the biggest innovation. You know, phones have gotten the point where their phones, right they do. They do you’ve gotten to a point where all the features of there. Yeah, but laptops are interesting. Still.

Unknown Speaker  [40:42] 
They are weird.

Jim Collison  [40:46] 
No, but it’s just listening to ourselves. Like, talk about how laptops, which have been around, I mean, forever are we’re excited about and then phones are boring. I mean, for so long, it’s just been blocked off. You know, and the newest of this and the newest of that. And this you know, iOS 13 comes out everybody’s like, yeah, you probably shouldn’t even install.

Jay Mattison  [41:09] 
I’m an iPhone guy, obviously, it’s not because I think that it’s the best phone because it’s simple, it works. Yeah, and I don’t really do a ton with my phone. I’m excited for iOS 13 for dark mode, other than them. Not really that excited about it. But you know, there’s some really cool things with laptops. I mean, like, I don’t know, if you guys have seen the suit pro duo at all, there’s been a bunch of videos and coverage about it. But it’s basically a 15 inch laptop that also has a second screen, like a touchscreen on the bottom. So you can you know, you can write it has pen support, you can slide like say your Spotify, I don’t know, Instagram, Twitter feed, and do full work stuff there. You can do Premiere Pro, have your all your palettes and stuff that underneath it’s very cool stuff like that. I mean, that’s innovation, that’s true innovation, and it’s functional. It’s not just like a gimmick. It’s some someone like me a gamer, some you know, you could use that stuff, have your which screen down there. It’s really cool what they’re doing.

Mike Wieger  [42:04] 
I think of even like photo editing, right, you got a color wheel down there, you’ve got all sorts of a video editor, you got a second timeline or something like that makes a lot of sense. And even I, I would not be upset. And I might even try out a laptop with two screens just fold together because I’ve, I’ve typed on an iPad it’s been laying down. It’s not the worst experience I’ve had in the world. And that’s something I want to type out, you know, my my legal documents on rag, I’m not going to draft an entire agreement on that. But for, for an everyday laptop, where it’s mainly video editing, where it’s miserable, I’m not typing too often, it’s not a bad experience. So I wonder if we’ll start seeing more of that right, that second screen gets a little bigger gets a little bigger, and maybe our the haptic feedback on a touchscreen becomes a little better. So you almost feels like a keyboard without being a keyboard. Interesting, I didn’t know that they were incorporating those as much they are now and he was any other brands that are starting to do that that you’ve seen.

Jay Mattison  [42:59] 
Any brands have, I don’t think anyone has one on the market yet. I would say as soon as doing some really interesting things. They also have their separate line, which is a gaming line. But essentially the bottom lifts up, you’ve probably seen that before. The backside of the bottom kind of lifts up when you open the screen unless the Aaron, that stuff like that. I mean, that’s really amazing. So you can put desktop class Jeff’s essentially in there. I haven’t seen it another dual screen laptop. But I’ve seen a bunch of different lights, you know, just a ton of thin lines in the market. Everyone’s got an aluminum 13 or 15 inch, you know, ultra ultra book that does great numbers. So that’s that’s really exciting for me, you can get a great laptop that can do everything for 1000 bucks to 1500 dollars. What’s that, like?

Mike Wieger  [43:45] 
That second screen too. When you look at like the apple line, I’ve always been an apple guy. They had the touch bar, which is almost almost like it’s still changes. The thing I like about the touch bar is it’s where he adapts to what app you’re using. If you’re in a video editing app, maybe it’s the timeline scrubber and some other things where it changes. But sounds like a Sue’s took it a step further because I’m guessing the asis one’s a little bit thicker. I mean, you’re looking at the the touch bar on the on the Apple products is very thin. But on the East Coast, is it an actual usable

Jay Mattison  [44:14] 
size? Yeah. So it’s it’s basically half of the base. Essentially, that’s what it looks like big touchpad slides out to the right side, then there’s basically a full keyboard, the touchpad also can convert into a number pad. So I mean, it’s got everything covered. It’s huge. It’s a huge that I’m thinking about buying it. It’s very expensive. But I’m thinking I can probably justify to myself so good

Mike Wieger  [44:38] 
enough, you think other companies will start to copy?

Jay Mattison  [44:41] 
I guess it’ll it’ll depend on sales. You know, I mean, yeah, I think the design is good. battery life, obviously will be impacted a bit. But it’s something geared towards creatives. So everyone wants to be a creative these days, it seems like so it depends on sales, you know, they’re coming out with a 14 inch mile that should be a little more affordable. And I think that one might move a little bit better, because it’ll be under that $2,000 Mark, more people can kind of kind of touch on it. But I’m really interested to see actually what Microsoft does. I think their their surface event is on the second of October, I believe. So I was a Surface Book user. I had the surface look too. I had a surface surface. What did I have a three way back when? And I love

Jim Collison  [45:21] 
row three are the three.

Jay Mattison  [45:22] 
Yeah, the pro three Pro. I think that’s the one I had. Yeah, way back when I love those devices. I’m interested to see what they come up with next. If they do folding, they were supposed to have that core year like 10 years ago, a folding laptop. So maybe let’s come up with something cool that you know Echo’s echo is kind of that the Seuss pro Du

Jim Collison  [45:41] 
du JRUD 10. With a laptop, do you like touch? Or you or would you rather not have that?

Jay Mattison  [45:48] 
So on the laptop, I like two things. I like glossy screens for the contrast and sharpness. And I do like having touch I really do just you might not use it all the time. But when you don’t have it. I’m like, you know, taking the screen. You’re touching it anyways. Yeah, right. I like it. I really do like having touch and I think most laptops should have it if they can’t, you know, it definitely costs more

Jim Collison  [46:10] 
Wieger you’re a Mac guy, and of course no touch. Would you like touch or no touch on a laptop?

Mike Wieger  [46:16] 
I do. I like it. Um, well, it depends on it’s going to be it’s going to be done correctly, right. Like, there was the old generation of touchscreen laptops. And it was, it was awkward. Like, that wasn’t natural for me what I want touches, I wouldn’t even I could give up a touch screen for the main screen. If I had what Jays been talking about, where you almost have that second screen down below, you got something to interact with below. It’s not natural I when I sit at a computer, and it’s mainly made me because of my age, right? Like we’ve all grown up at the age where we’ve had a keyboard, you’ve got a computer on an iPhone. And if that makes sense to me, it doesn’t make sense for me to reach up right now and touch my screen that’s just not natural. But for me to look up real quick and do it color wheel that’s automatically adapting to what I’m doing, scrub through a timeline, do those sort of touch gestures, I’m a huge touch guy, I think that would be amazing. But I think the way it’s currently done, I don’t need a touchscreen laptop, I need a secondary input, I needed it to be more interactive in the way it is, I’m fine, I am way faster with a mouse, under my keyboard that I am reaching up and actually physically touching the screen. It’s just it’s just faster for me. But once you start making it more user friendly and have more features with it, that’s when it becomes great.

Jay Mattison  [47:30] 
How do you feel about Apple in general, and like where they’re going in terms of the products? It’s always I always find this interesting from obviously an astute tech tech guy like yourself? Well,

Mike Wieger  [47:47] 
you know, I had this conversation a lot. And I would say before this latest launch of iOS and iPhones, I was really disappointed. I think they’ve just ever since you know, it’s honestly, if you want to go back to where I can pinpoint, it’s when Steve Jobs passed, you can say what you can about him about his style and his management style, things like that. But I think that their products drastically changed. And they weren’t. They weren’t taking risks they used to. They weren’t just being on the on the cutting edge like they used to. And I think now they’re almost like, they’re like trying to be on the cutting edge but not doing a good job of it. Right. It’s like he gained the headphone jack. But like, everything else just flopped on the phone and you do a lot of other things. So I’m still a fan and I still love them. I use their products. The iPhone line they just announced brought it back for me. I think that made a lot of sense. So you had the announced the iPhone 11. Right, they have the price point that’s really good around $600. And we do a trade in. I mean, it’s like nothing, they’re doing a great job of the trading. And the iPhone 11 is a great and what it looks. So this is what I like about it, you have a great price fun to iPhone 11. Look at the iPhone 11 Pro, so they did announce a pro model, you have the same processor. Since when do you get a lower priced phone with the same processor highest and they differentiate and cameras they differentiate and displays the differentiated in areas that actually makes sense. The processor for a mobile device, it’s not going to cost them any more or less to put it in either phones that made sense. The pros are going to notice the pros are going to notice the display. And that’s where they’re making their differentiator there. So I think they did a really good job. I just got my wife, the iPhone 11 we have in hand. It’s fantastic. like everything’s good about it. iOS 13 has been great. I think they’re making a lot of the advancements they need to so they’re making a comeback. I was really worried. To be honest, I thought I had become a kind of a non believer a little bit, Jim. So the backstory here Jay is back when Jim and I got first started, when I became a co host was that five years ago, Jim, I think we decided four or five years ago, somebody brought me on the I had doing my own podcast about Apple tech, I was a pure Apple, I didn’t have a single non Apple device in my home. And what we found is that when he brought me on the show, he almost like converted me, I became more of a now I’ve got Dell server about enterprise grade stuff. I’ve got an end. So I never talked about Apple because I become so infatuated with Oh, there’s this whole other side of tech I hadn’t explored before. And so it failed on Jim by I failed. Jim,

Jim Collison  [50:27] 
what are you doing? Mike? You’re supposed to be my apple guy.

Jay Mattison  [50:31] 
I was trying to bring controversy to the show.

Mike Wieger  [50:33] 
Yeah. But now at the computer space, though, to be perfectly honest, they’ve been I think they’re still killing it with the computers. I think what they’ve done, if you do the math, there are still people they’re going to say you pay the apple tax when you buy an apple machine. And you do. That’s that’s not to be, but they have brought that so far down. And you’re getting so much for your money now, I think especially when they do the calculations on the new. I mean, essentially the new pro that they announced, right? Like the highest end, right? The ones that only the movie producers are going to buy, you’re getting a lot for your money and they’re listening to their customers. You got the iMac, the iMac Pro, you’ve got a blind for everyone. And I think it makes sense. And I’m happy in the space again. I was really concerned like if you’d have asked me that question maybe 810 months ago, maybe a year ago, I would have been concerned that I was I was willing to get out. But I think they’ve bounced back a little bit. But man when Steve Jobs left how I mean, I think we all noticed it. Didn’t. Everyone did UJ? I mean, I don’t know when Yeah, how involved you are with the apple ecosystem. But it was it was that when he was gone, they lacked direction they lacked initiative. And it was it was really clear.

Jay Mattison  [51:50] 
Yeah, I mean, I would agree that it was disappointing because I’ve obviously I’m not an apple PC user. But I’ve always respected what they’re doing from a hardware standpoint, the design of their products, the way that it seamlessly integrates with the software and their OS. I was thought that that was really impressive. And something that windows which is who’s trying to obviously emulate that with Windows 10 and trying to make everything more seamless, and honestly, more Apple like. So I always thought that was smart. I thought they did a great job with that. But I did find their obviously their PCs a little bit limiting in terms of what I was trying to do. But I did think after say I want to say the iPhone four, six ish around that timeline, things started to kind of level off terms of innovation, and it was no longer This is the iPhone, this is the best phone hands down period. It became Oh, here’s an awesome galaxy Samsung Galaxy. Here’s some other things that actually compete. And the same thing with the PC space obviously with this latest round of Mac books, I thought the the odd thing with the keyboard where people were having lint get in there and it was breaking you know, traveling. Yeah, it was it was very odd. You know, these were like kind of large missteps that they were making that in the past it felt like they just wouldn’t have made so I do want them to write the ship. I want them to be there if anything to hold Microsoft accountable and make sure that they keep making amazing products as well. I think they’re very important in that respect.

Mike Wieger  [53:15] 
And you know what’s funny about that is I say that Apple’s back on track. Here’s an example of something that drives me absolutely insane. I haven’t when I’m coming to you where I’m broadcasting on right now is an iMac right it’s an iMac still from 2000 wow it’s old I think I’m older than I thought 13 I graduate it was it was I got it right after undergrad before I went to law school. And so it was 2012 2013 runs great runs like a like a champ. I get steam on the machine because I want to try one game I rarely I don’t try and game on us I know gaming on Mac as a football. Okay, so I get American truck simulators my bad American and I love it’s a great game if you guys haven’t checked you’re in the simulators try American trucker. It’s awesome. Same game is on playable on the map. Right? Yeah, unplayable like not not even I can’t look around. You can’t do any it freezes up. I dual boot this machine. So I run boot camp, I boot it in Windows, run it and it runs like a dream. Totally fine. The way that Windows can access the graphics card on the Mac because this thing although it’s not a great graphics card, it’s got an NVIDIA GeForce GT x 660. Right got that built in. Not a great gaming but enough to do it at Tandy p enough to just you know, for a simulator, trucker game fine. Yeah, why would I booting Mac, the native system can is this thing unplayable? Same exact game on the windows side with flawless and great. So those are the kind of little things I’m just wondering, like, those are still the things with Apple, it drives me nuts. If I’m an apple machine, this should run the best when I’m in the native OS. And for some reason, and I noticed it when I use it, twitch streamed gaming for like, all of two weeks. But when I did, I would run Windows on this iMac. And I could I could fully utilize that graphics card and I can hold my Xbox, do all my, you know, OBS stuff and stream out fine. I tried to do that when it was booted into Mac. And it was I only I had to go down to like standard definition because it couldn’t even handle it. So same machine, same hardware. Why is Windows running so much better on it? It just was the little things I had my head I don’t know what the answer is it on the solution is but yeah, so those are the little things.

Jim Collison  [55:33] 
I believe it’s been a long time, but enough of that Apple crap. Wieger

Mike Wieger  [55:39] 
I know.

Jim Collison  [55:43] 
My listeners like when is that guy gonna stop?

Mike Wieger  [55:46] 
Yeah. I think we were worried JI when he brought me on. They were like, Oh, it was because

Jim Collison  [55:51] 
he’d been Microsoft for years. Like it was all

Mike Wieger  [55:54] 
it was all Microsoft challenge to convert me and they did a damn good like this. They converted me then they had a great time. So it

Jay Mattison  [56:03] 
was enough time will convert anyone. Yeah, yeah. worked. I worked over a lot of people over the years.

Jim Collison  [56:09] 
JU mentioned I would I would get fired if I didn’t ask you. So this we came, we come out of a storage show. Originally, this was home server show came out of this and did that for a lot of years. And we started this show just to talk about stuff besides home storage, but how much? If you were to kind of count up all the storage you have locally, it’s important to us. How much storage do you think?

Unknown Speaker  [56:33] 
That’s a good question.

Jay Mattison  [56:35] 
I don’t have as much as you think honestly. So I’d say in here in my in the office just from my PC, so I just upgraded the PC. So my desktop has dual one terabyte and not envy me drives a standard SATA drives, and then dual 500 gigabyte MDMA drive. So that’s about three terabytes there. I have a 10 terabyte just standard Western Digital backup I use for just raw files. That’s about it. Just video files, everything everything you do. And I think I have 64 on the net as

Jim Collison  [57:11] 
I think what are you running? What are you using for an ass

Unknown Speaker  [57:14] 
trying to remember

Jim Collison  [57:16] 
Been a while that storage is have been sitting there for a while has been

Jay Mattison  [57:19] 
it’s been I don’t I don’t want to say here I’ll make a video. And then as I don’t want to haven’t honestly touched it in probably a year well before the move. So I’ll make a full video because I might even have more storage than that now. So to everyone who cares, which is just us three probably

Jim Collison  [57:37] 
know this custom box

Mike Wieger  [57:38] 
though? Or is it something like a psychology or a nap? Or is it is like a custom? Yeah. It’s

Jim Collison  [57:47] 
free. Now.

Jay Mattison  [57:49] 
I had this analogy and those work fine. But

Unknown Speaker  [57:52] 
powers out there.

Jay Mattison  [57:54] 
Exactly. Exactly. I have a I have tons of just like old CPUs and motherboards and stuff hanging out. So it’s like, why not just throw it in and make it work? You know?

upgrade that maybe that’ll be a next video. There you go.

Jim Collison  [58:08] 
There you go. And well, this in this community. They just love We love talking about terabytes. So it’s like, you know, how much do you have? And I remember in the old days, if you had four terabytes, it was gigantic. Wieger is like, well, I got a small servers 36 terabytes, it’s like, there were days 36 was gigantic. When I was first one, I remember when I was working at the bank. So this would have been 20 some years ago, we built a big data warehouse. And I remember when we got to a terabyte, and they were like, yeah, we just upgraded you know, it’s full terabyte access and everything that terabyte Wow. Cuz you know, we talked in gigs at that in those days. Yeah, you think, man, that whole date? The whole database is a tear. That’s gigantic. And today, we wouldn’t even think twice. Like it’s just yeah, crazy. Drive with a terabyte? No, no, totally. Yeah. Right. Yeah. JZ think looking towards the future, what you and in all, what gets you excited, like what else is out there that you get kind of excited about when you start thinking about the future and all the technologies that may be coming up?

Jay Mattison  [59:09] 
Scared and excited, I’ll give you a double Dipper, driving cars, self driving tech, for sure. gonna be awesome going to revolutionize obviously the way we transport ourselves around places. But also, it could be an absolute nightmare. Depending on how this is rolled out. I could probably go on a 30 minute rant about that I’m not going to do that right now. But that’s something that I am interested in and monitoring and and fully aware of. Also, obviously the effect of automation and aI think that’s going to become more important as we go on. I think the operating system, whether it be Mac OS, Windows is going to be more closely tied to these artificial intelligences, quote unquote Cortana, whatever it may be, and the computer will do more automatically, then we necessarily have to do now. So now its input type, you know, get a result. I think more it’s going to be we know what you want it to do. You know, you sit here every day at 530. You do these sequences, you’re looking at this icon on your screen, we’re going to open that launch this. So I think that’ll be cool. VR as well. I would love for VR to become a thing, holding on desperately hoping that that kind of hangs on because it wasn’t very cool.

But it’s kind of it seems like it’s dying a little bit. Well,

Jim Collison  [1:00:25] 
it just it comes and goes we get some good. We get some good member Google Glass. We got real popular. And then. And then sounds weird. We went through a phase of glasses. Right? And yeah, the the Yeah, the holding member Oculus and everybody and they just kind of it’s like, we know we need to get there. I mean, I think with with VR and AR or og or mixed realities, what’s Microsoft’s calling it now? Right, a combination of the two? I think we know we’re gonna get there. I just don’t think we’ve got all the hardware in place for the right ideas around it.

Jay Mattison  [1:01:00] 
So yeah, Agreed. Agreed. I mean, you’re totally right. And there’s no I think what really hurt VR was they never came up with that game, that one game that people were like, I gotta play this, you know, they never did. And we kept hoping that that was going to be a thing, because when Oculus came out and vibe, when they were going back and forth, it had a little pop there, you know, but you can only play beat saber for so long, you start getting bored, you know? So yeah, that’s, that’s something that hopefully, I mean, that that kind of kicks back up, and we get some killer game, like imagine, you know, Open World Grand Theft Auto.

Unknown Speaker  [1:01:36] 
You know, when people go crazy for that. So

Mike Wieger  [1:01:38] 
well, there are some cool niche areas. Like I will say today was the coolest experience I’ve had with VR, we were at our corporate meeting. So the entire Corporation in one place for a meeting, we’re building a brand new corporate headquarters, our CFO got into VR on stage. And up on top, he’s showing us and He gives us a full walkthrough of our new building that we’re building. And he talking while he’s doing he’s like, Okay, look over here and everything normally, what was that? And he turns around, and he’s like, and so we’re all watching on the big screen, which is not the typical VR experience, right? VR is very well, one person. This was a use case for it. So the architecture firm was there. And they put him in VR, and then they let us all experience with this new corporate headquarters is going to be by hitting VR, right? So totally something I had never I mean, I don’t do much in VR. But that was pretty cool. That was a very niche, entire organization was like engaged all the sudden, like, Oh, yeah, like we had, we haven’t, we’ve seen pictures of what our buildings going to look like. But we haven’t like, this is what the conference was going to look like. And oh, when you walk up the stairs is how we’re going to experience the open layout, like the experience all of that. But able to do that without VR, it was it was really cool. I had never thought of that as even an application for VR. Until today. So very applicable that we just got it. But it was really cool. So there are these niche little areas, I think that people will find that beyond gaming, VR makes a lot of sense. I can like, if I had been my CEO in the meeting with that architecture firm who put that headset on me, let me walk through. Like, that’s, that’s me, that helps. That helps your sales department, right? Like, that’s, yeah,

Jay Mattison  [1:03:15] 
that’s probably a bit scalar. Right there. We’re going you guys

Mike Wieger  [1:03:18] 
definitely, exactly. Where do I sign? How much money do you want? This is cool. No other company allowed me to walk through my building before it’s built.

Jay Mattison  [1:03:29] 
The Halo lens was cool. That’ll be I think that’ll be something that you’ll see in similar us similarly to how you just described it, you know, that seems to be I think augmented reality where you have, you don’t need the full processing power of generating the whole world makes a lot of sense. You know? So I think that we’ll see a lot of that. Hopefully, we’ll see some of that, you know.

Jim Collison  [1:03:50] 
Go ahead, Michael,

Mike Wieger  [1:03:50] 
at the same time already perfect yet. No, I mean, there were times where our CFO jumped to the ceiling all sudden, like, whoa, oh, shoot, he’s like trying to, it’s not a building. Yeah, well, that’s nice that he plays like woman fly mode, so I can technically fly through the building, instead of walking. So I mean, it wasn’t, it wasn’t perfect, but it was, it was pretty darn, pretty darn near perfect for what we have going now. And I can tell you 98% of our company, which is odd. Like they were just like, in all like, this is the coolest thing we’ve ever seen.

Jim Collison  [1:04:20] 
What a way to win the organization to for the move. Because sometimes you when you move, it’s um, it’s very jarring for an organization to move from one building to another, you think, Oh, it’s exciting. No, I’m not everybody’s excited to move, they liked their cube office right now. It’s all new. And we gotta do some things different. And so how cool to be able to be able to, you know, to be able to kind of do a walk through, we move buildings, this was years ago. Now, we don’t have that kind of technology. But we did an NF style, NFL style draft for seating locations. So people could, based on 10 year, you could come up it was like, you know, then, so we did a big like, we did a selection day. And so people got to come up. And we had a big map of the where they could sit and they could pick their seat kind of based on and we let them look at the seating charts in advance. And it’s kind of fun, right? You got to make it kind of interesting. How cool would that have been to have some technology behind that with the big touchscreen? We’re in Washington, DC office, we have a gigantic touchscreen, and it’s probably eight feet by six feet in our office and they they put interactive maps and stuff on it. But it How cool would it have been to have that and then kind of do the touchscreen where you hit it and you know, it pops up the thing? So I think there’s some cool j i actually think your your micro PC. Love is that is going to be a driver for some of this advanced VR, ar mixed reality because it’s driving things faster and smell. Right. And and so I think that space, it’s important because we can you to get more improvements on it. And it’s helping us figure out, how do you keep these things cool, because you know, write this thing on your head? Or, you know, whatever. And it’s like, well, it’s got to be light and it can’t burn a hole through my head. You know, kind of deal. Right? Don’t you think? Don’t you think that’s, that’s helping that space a little bit? For sure.

Jay Mattison  [1:06:19] 
Yeah, I mean, for sure. Especially, you know, thinking similarly about self driving tech, you know, tech that has to be small and thrown into a car and be secure. For sure. I think that all these things, the magnification is happening, and it continues to happen. Just hopefully for processing the future. Hopefully, we can keep seeing games in CPU tech keeps shrinking the dies, you know, I think we’re at 10 nanometer now for both AMD and Intel. It’s gotten tight there in terms of games over the last few years. So hopefully that can continue. And we can keep seeing these kind of games and smaller systems that will cooler but more powerful and more efficient.

Jim Collison  [1:06:58] 
Yeah, no run on JT, thanks for coming out tonight and putting up with our shenanigans. It’s been great to have you on we got it kind of a late start the folks listening to this on the on the podcast. They don’t care, because they didn’t have to. They didn’t have to put up with that. But we had some weird stream or yard issues. Jay, thanks for taking the time tonight to come out. Really appreciate it. I’d love for you to consider this. You don’t have to say yes. But I’d love you to consider Yes. When you do like you got those three headsets? Yeah. When you

Mike Wieger  [1:07:28] 
start talking to you, we got it. Okay.

Unknown Speaker  [1:07:30] 
I’ll tell the audience so moving to Omaha, we get we

Jim Collison  [1:07:35] 
have some room in my basement.

Unknown Speaker  [1:07:36] 
It’s done. It’s done.

Jim Collison  [1:07:38] 
No, we don’t. But I’d love like when you have those three headsets and you’ve gone through them and you’re gonna probably make a video about them as well. But I’d love if you’re interested after you’ve got all that stuff out. to have you back on to do some live talking

Jay Mattison  [1:07:49] 
about those headsets? Yeah, sure. Absolutely. I mean, this was really fun. You know, I didn’t you never know what these things are going to be like, you know, obviously we don’t know. Yeah. This is awesome. So I definitely I mean, I would love to come back and talk a little audio.

Jim Collison  [1:08:05] 
So yeah, sure. Ya know, it’d be good to good to have you back on we love finding guests who kind of repeat through it and you know, maybe once a quarter or so come back talk about will we got to know you a little bit here today. I think that was the important thing is just kind of get to know you and figure out what what makes you tick and what you like and some of those kinds of things and I think we can get to have you back on and really kind of drill in on some of those things that are really important to

Jay Mattison  [1:08:31] 
all of your subscribers just

Jim Collison  [1:08:33] 
know you’re listening. You are I told you this right up everybody’s

Mike Wieger  [1:08:40] 
nerdy about heart. They doing RR

Jay Mattison  [1:08:41] 
people love It’s getting harder. Maybe next time we’ll go like deeper. Like he said, Yeah,

Unknown Speaker  [1:08:47] 
we did kind of know,

Jay Mattison  [1:08:49] 
a little deeper,

Jim Collison  [1:08:51] 
just a good good thing if you can, if you can hang on one sec. Let me close things up. We’ll chat a little bit in post show. Just a couple reminders. Of course, don’t forget if you we do have a Patreon link that’s available if you want to subscribe or support us on Patreon you can do that the average guy.tv slash Patreon gets you there. Join us in the discord group. The average guy that TV slash discord Facebook is the same way just the average guy.tv slash Facebook you can head over there. Contact the show send me an email Jim at the average guy.tv always love to hear from him and maybe some of you saw a whole bunch of stuff or heard a whole bunch of stuff from Jay. What he’s got there. Maybe you’d like to hear something from Jay send me an email. We’ll try and work that in the next time we get him on here and it’d be good to hear from you. Don’t forget the average guy.tv both web and media hosting powered by Maple Grove partners get secure reliable high speed hosting for people that you know and trust. Of course, you know this Christian. I got to get him back on a cyber frontiers. We haven’t done that in a while that was cycling up here on the screen as they go It’s been a while oh five or six weeks so it’s probably time. So visit Maple Grove partners.com Don’t forget plans and pretty good custom plans start 10 bucks a month. And that gets you just about everything you need. Then don’t forget download us on your phone. Android iPhone. Both Home Gadget Geeks calm we’ll get that done. Best way to listen on the road or anywhere to get that done. We are live every Thursday 8pm Central nine Eastern out here at the average guy.tv slash live. We’ve got Ed Sullivan not the old Ed Sullivan the new Ed Sullivan. Come on, Mike we’re talking humidor and cigar tech. Next week. JSU cigar guide LJ

Jay Mattison  [1:10:21] 
little bit going into as you know I’m getting older getting a little more refined in my ears.

Jim Collison  [1:10:27] 
Like it well, by the way. I’m way older than you and I’m just getting. So it’s but Ed sent us couple cigars. Mike, I got to get over to I know.

Mike Wieger  [1:10:38] 
We got smoke these things. I think Sunday. You really can’t go on Sunday. Oh,

Jim Collison  [1:10:42] 
yeah, that could work. Okay, little cigar. So ads, got some great recommendations and some things around cigars and technology. He is coming on next week. And then we’ve been talking about this one for a while the guys over at next cloud are coming in two weeks talk live, what’s going on there and they had some announcements out of stock.

Unknown Speaker  [1:11:04] 
So the

Jim Collison  [1:11:04] 
both I think both founders will be joining us in two weeks for that as well love to have you join us. For those you can always just come out here at the average guy.tv slash live and we’d love to have you join us want to thank you for joining us tonight with that will say goodbye

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