Ryan Kerschner from ThinkComputers.org and a long time listener to Home Gadget Geeks (and the Home Server Show before that) joins us to talk reviews on PC Cases and a Fanless Mini Desktop PC. We look at the SilverStone LD03 Case (links in the show notes), Azulle’s Byte 3 Fanless Mini Desktop PC and the InWin 905 Case together. We also find out that Ryan is quite the collector of 80s and 90s collectables! I think you will enjoy the show.
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Jim Collison 0:00
This is The Average Guy Network and you have found Home Gadget Geeks show number 416 recorded on September 12 2019.
Here on Home Gadget Geeks, we cover all your favorite tech gadgets that find their way into your home, news, reviews and product update all for the average tech guy. I’m your host, Jim Collison broadcasting live from the average guy TV Studios and Mike, I swear to God, we have one week of fall. I keep saying this every single week. I was looking at the long term hot through next week, but then I think father’s coming. What do you think?
Mike Wieger 0:42
You mean one week of summer left? Yeah, we get to fall. Yeah, I agree. And it’s we’ve had that humidity too. So even though it hasn’t been too crazy hot that humidity sticks around and just makes it feel
Jim Collison 0:53
muggy? Yeah, tonight It’s great. We should be we pulling an Edward winning or in in podcasting from our deck. Ryan, you have a deck that you could move out to if we needed to go outside and you’re not yet but it’s going to be pretty good for you tonight, too. Right? You’re you’re in the same kind of area. We are.
Ryan Kerschner 1:08
Yeah, you know, few hours away, but we had a rainy day today, which was really nice. I don’t even think it broke maybe 81 or 82. I was inside all day. So I didn’t get to experience it. But Yep, just kind of rainy overcast and you’re down in Wichita. Right? So it’s almost directly south of us. Yep. Here sad little south. Southwest.
Jim Collison 1:26
Yep. I think or so. little flatter. We’re a little bit Nebraska is a little more like this. And Kansas. You can watch dog ran away for two weeks as flat as you can go here.
Yeah, it’s it’s, it’s pretty flat. Well, Ryan, welcome. Before we go on the rest. Welcome. We’re glad you’re here with us tonight.
Ryan Kerschner 1:42
Glad to be here.
Jim Collison 1:44
I’ll remind everyone Of course you get show notes. And Ryan, all of Ryan’s contact information is available in the show notes tonight. So you might want to pop out to him. The average guy.tv slash HGG 416 will get you that as well. Don’t forget you can also download our mobile app Home Gadget geeks.com just change the theme on that I realized I changed the theme on the website never changed that one. So we got out there after Christians bang up job of getting all that stuff changed over updated the theme. And that now looks like it belongs there, you can get that Home Gadget geeks.com. Don’t forget, we appreciate our Patreon subscribers supporters. You guys you know who you are the average guy.tv slash Patreon if you want to join us over there. And we appreciate that got a letter read here in a second. We also can take donations through PayPal, I never really pimp that very much it but it works in every once in a while somebody wants to help support the network. And you can ship that through PayPal as well in any of the email addresses Jim at the average guy.tv is probably the easiest one to do. We’ll get that there as well. And Richard sent that in. Well, we’ll thank him here in just a second for that. But you can get all that information over the average guy.tv Don’t forget join us on discord, the average guy.tv slash discord on Facebook, the average guy.tv slash Facebook and we’ll be reading a little bit from that today as well. Ryan Kirschner, I mentioned his name and we talked just a second ago with him. He is joining us tonight. In Ryan, let me just do it again. Welcome to the program.
Ryan Kerschner 3:08
Thanks Glad to be here. You know long time. It’s kind of like the Jim Rome, longtime listener first time caller. Experience right now.
Jim Collison 3:16
No and Mike and I got a chance to actually meet you a couple of weeks ago you were in the Omaha area and we kind of got together and had pizza up at Pizza West race pizza. Yeah, if you’re in Omaha, that’s the best way to go. Mike, I was a little surprised my pizza and your pizza even made it out of the place just to be honest.
Mike Wieger 3:33
Yeah, we went with the model of Hey, get a large have stuff to take home and I said Jim, don’t be surprised if I end up eating it all. But we were we were good. We with. We hold ourselves back a little bit. And we did take it home to the wives.
Jim Collison 3:45
Ryan, you came hanging out with the family how that worked out. We certainly enjoyed meeting your children and they were great while we had lunch together. But how the rest of the trip go?
Ryan Kerschner 3:53
No, it was good. That was kind of the end of our trip. We had a wedding on Friday, hung out with some family on Saturday, then headed over to you guys over in Omaha Sunday afternoon for some lunch ended up driving back west to where we had been because Google was telling me that was the quickest way home. So after lunch ended up where I started in the morning and then drove back home. So other than that was great trip.
Jim Collison 4:15
Sorry that you had to backtrack. That’s all right. Not that most you know the deal living in the Midwest, not the most scenic route between Lincoln and Omaha. But you know, and I guess it’s okay. It was great to see you. If anybody else if you guys are ever in the Omaha area and you’re listening. Mike and I were available for random lunches. Just give us a call. We’ll figure we’ll figure it was actually perfect timing. I think it was a Sunday. It was a Sunday lunch. Yeah, Sunday lunch, a piece of pizza West was not that crowded and we got pretty good service and we got it done. Let us know. Send me an email Jim at the average guy that TV and we will try to sneak it in on much. Before we really dig in on with Ryan stuff. I did get an email from Richard I had mentioned the Patreon supporter. He is the one who sent me an email in a little a bit of a little bit of a donation a little bit but a nice donation from Richard Thank you. He’d sent us an email and I thought is interesting because it fits our conversation so well. And all the things we we do and I like to read these emails because it’s kind of fun. I love it when you guys send me email and I get about one a week or so. But so he’s working through the letter for he said first and then there was a whole bunch of stuff that I’m not going to read. Second he says a few weeks ago Mike talked about smokers and barbecues being raised on a large farm and ranch in the Texas Panhandle. We tend to know a few things about smoking meat. Please pass this on to Mike as both of you should know about Robert and Vicki Meyers company called RNV works. Mike Have you ever heard you ever heard of him not know? Yeah, you should be able to see some of their products that basically I think it a Bass Pro Shop got one of those over in Council Bluffs. They’re best known for their Cajun fire, but also make their outstanding outdoor. They also make outstanding outdoor cooking equipment. If you go to Cajun fryer calm, including a what’s called a Cajun Express smoker. Check out their smokers as I think it exceeds your requirements at the 1200 dollar level not the 6000. Did you talk about a $6,000? smoker? Did I miss that? Or did when did we talked about that? No.
Mike Wieger 6:15
I know we’ve talked about there are those that get up in price range? No, no, but another one that we would use are in that range.
Jim Collison 6:21
Yeah, well 1200 isn’t that isn’t that trigger line? Right? Yeah, exactly. You’re doing Brian a unit unit grill BBQ smoking. You do any of that.
Ryan Kerschner 6:31
I’m just a gas girl guy right now. haven’t made a switch over to smoking or anything. Yeah. And you had a Terminator, though, for Mother’s Day. So I know there’s some options there. We make it better shot with this cooler weather coming in.
Jim Collison 6:45
Yeah, and I can still I can I’m figuring out how to do some pretty good smoking register off my regular grill. And so that part that’s working pretty well. I did see I was watching Stephen right Glenn and I was they have like this drum smoker. It’s like a 55 gallon drum that’s outfitted with all that and that’s supposed to be a really good way to swamp two. Maybe 300 bucks for that thing new and you know, so maybe an easier way to get in. Ryan continued I’m sorry. Richard continues I own a custom fryer that Roberts the Roberts team built for me and us a charcoal wood smoker slash cooker that was made by Mike tearing ins company and Mr. And Mrs. LO called SON OF A brisket. I like that because Lastly, he says I make my living outside of the technology space but I’ve been a nerd before birth that’s my kids tell the story. Over 30 years ago I was using x 10 to control switches and plugs with their with the controller today. It’s much easier and far more reliable with instant on z wave Wi Fi enabled and the ISY 994 controller in our home and weekend place there’s not a switch or outlet that doesn’t have an IP address. subtype that is super nerdy. started my whole networking journey years ago with an HP Microsoft server actually that’s the one I decommission to this week Mike I might well not HP smart I had a the micro server that the HP Microsoft and 40 l that I’ve had forever Ryan you’ve heard us probably talk about that. Probably forever. I just took that one now he started with that. And today runs a rack Lenovo dual CPU 2012 server are two edge router POE switch cameras to unify ACHD access ports down and upstairs with cat and most rooms of the house bought my first Sonus player in 2005 and 14 players
Mike Wieger 8:44
furious home theater action with 14 speakers
Jim Collison 8:47
I did not read that in advance that is pretty impressive 14 players today between our two homes Okay, all running either on cat or on my Wi Fi. Oh, but I should not forget Alexa, she get sorry, the lady who we should mention her name. She gives me voice control over the ISY controller and Soto’s with unit sprinkled in outside in and outside the house. Simply brilliant. All desk laptop data is stored on the server or on one drive backed up internally to USB drives and crash Plan Pro while somebody still staying on the crash plan. I thought most of us ditch crash plan when they stopped doing what they were doing. Some moved pro but but Richard, thanks for doing that. $120 a year for crash plan for me is a bargain rich thanks for Richard, thank you for your email. Appreciate that. But good to hear. I love those kinds of out those outfitting stories, Mike, I know you like that as well. Kind of just hearing what people are doing. Those are my favorite. I love setup videos on YouTube, you know desk setups, all that kind of stuff, just hearing how people configure their home. Mainly because like when you’re the tech guy, people come to you for questions. And usually you kind of get stuck in your own routine of what you do. When you start to hear what other people do you kind of get Okay. Hey, you know you have this setup. I heard of a guy who has 14 Sonos speakers that don’t work out well for you. You know it’s just it gives you different ideas of what you could do that all worked out
Mike Wieger 10:11
okay. Well my boss is like on the way to that he’s like this huge cuz I said his house up and now he’s big into Sonos and he wants to Sonos, everything. And may now we found on the person who went that route to
Jim Collison 10:22
all right. It’s doable. Ryan, I didn’t tell you we’re going to do this. But since I’m talking about it, yeah. Give us a quick rundown of kind of your your nursery setup there at the house.
Ryan Kerschner 10:31
Oh, man. Let’s see here. Multiple desktop PCs, you know, we’ll kind of get into the the hardware reviews and stuff that I do. So that’s kind of outfitted some of those. Let’s see here. ubiquity for wireless PF sense router. phonology. A store. Ficus. Yep. NASA’s little virtualization in their Plex. How much total storage Do you think you have?
Jim Collison 11:00
Now we’re comparing 60
Ryan Kerschner 11:01
to 70. terabytes. Okay.
Jim Collison 11:03
Oh, wow. Okay. Now, okay, for the average person, not necessary. But what are you keeping on all those on all that? Do you have it? Just to have it? Are you actually
Ryan Kerschner 11:13
use a little bit of both? Yeah. So family documents all backed up the Plex environment. Storage sits out there. And then I replicate between those devices here and the cloud. So just multiple backup routines. It’s about 10%. Full on the psychology which has 40 terabytes usable. So
Jim Collison 11:36
nice. We got that stacked out.
Ryan Kerschner 11:37
Yeah, I just, you know, I will send for 10 No, six, eight in that in that unit. And shot shot. Shot. I’m a shocker. Okay, right. I’m always looking for those and the 10s are getting cheaper and it’s outfitted with AIDS and I just, it’s tidy me over I don’t need the 10s. So I’m just I’m just ignoring it when I see that they’re on sale.
Mike Wieger 11:58
With this analogy. Do you have to do the whole pin thing where you put the tape of the pain or remove the pen? I have?
Ryan Kerschner 12:03
I have not yet Nope. Okay.
Mike Wieger 12:04
Yeah, cuz I think on some of the NAS is you don’t really have to run some you do? It just depends on the back plane.
Ryan Kerschner 12:09
Like that. Yeah, a lot of the current stuff just doesn’t require you to do that. 3.3 full? Yeah, a mod but it’s pretty easy to do anyways. Right?
Jim Collison 12:19
limited or unlimited internet, where you’re at.
Ryan Kerschner 12:21
So I have a terabyte cap.
Stock Syria. So I have the 300 meg plan. I just can’t justify the gig right now. With it being so limited on the Upload. 30 Meg’s up. You know,
Mike Wieger 12:37
I agree. At amp t needs to come in. I their rumor is they’re coming to Omaha and especially coming to my area with the synchronous fiber gig up gig down. But yeah, you’re right. What you Why would you pay for that way? Really the downlink, you really need more than 300 down, things go pretty fast. And usually most your downloads are going to be limited anyway and won’t even go up to the full game.
Ryan Kerschner 13:00
You know, I see this down, pegged. Like when I’m downloading from Steam or something. That’s, you know, maybe 100 gigs for a really large game. And then I’m done with it. And right. I don’t even touch the 300 most of the time.
Jim Collison 13:14
Joe says he says he’s still ripping his content and making do it eight terabyte eight. How can you be live with eight terabytes. 96 is what I’m up to here. No 97 now and so what now most of its first mining, right? I’ve got I haven’t most packed. I just did some reconfiguration down here. We took the media smart server Well, it’s not really that anymore. But the micro server down, it had four drives in a two way back in the drove Oh, swapped out some smaller drives, put them off to the side, you know, kind of started. All right, how am I going to set my syncs up? Now? where’s this going to go? Do I really need it replicating twice? Because that’s what I had to doing. I had my data replicating twice internally here, like on the global and on, on HP smart or on the HPC server. So you really got to start kind of questioning some of that stuff. After all, we were Ryan, you ever find yourself like, do I really get Do you find those times like when stuff starts going wrong? And you have these cascading problems? Like one thing breaks another breaks another or you find a process you set up like four years ago that you totally forgot about me ever used it right? And you’re like, do I really need that? Do you find yourself doing that?
Ryan Kerschner 14:25
Yeah, I had, I have three NAS is running right now I had a fourth and it was my oldest since probably close to 10 years old and it was running. It was a raid five with three Western Digital blues. And they were 500 gigs each on those so I had about a terabyte of space. And I had gotten everything migrated off of it or at least copied and it was just extra copies of the data and I finally was just it doesn’t need to be on system turn it off.
Mike Wieger 14:49
Well I find that even with you know I work on Plex I’m just recorded all kind of guy right? I got the antenna on there. Why not let that thing just record as much as I you know any show cuz I’m I want to go back and watch it. You forget how those series TV shows add up, right? I mean, that’s a lot of space every single week. So I finally went through and cleared out a bunch of shows. I’m never going to watch I just had Plex record because and and it was a terabytes of space that I had on there. Because I’ve just been recording for you know what, whenever that feature came out a year or two ago, and most of it wasn’t even watched. And I was recording like Husker football games and things you know, I might want to go back and watch that at some point. And I’ve never I never have so. But man you guys are making me get on Amazon and look at drives. I’m on the low end here. I’ve only got 22 terabytes in my unread much
Ryan Kerschner 15:37
more space, get those easy stores from Best Buy when they’re on sale. And she
Mike Wieger 15:40
had some really good 10 terabyte deals going on. Yeah, but yeah, so I’ll need to update my parody drive those that’s like a, I consider that almost like a waste of buying a drive. That’s 150 just to get your parody up and then but then you can start adding whatever you want.
Ryan Kerschner 15:54
So we’ll see.
Jim Collison 15:56
Well, it’s funny you say just to 22 terabytes Mike there it would have been a day back in the home server show days that 22 would have been gigantic like why what do you need 22 for Ryan most of us have we know Wieger gets a new hobby about every two or three weeks but you have any hobbies, tech hobbies that are keeping you busy besides the work stuff and you do anything outside and tech wise.
Ryan Kerschner 16:20
Not super tech related. I mean I have you know some of the Smart Home Automation types of deals you know, lighting thermostat sprinklers. Nothing too advanced some Amazon and Google devices throughout the house. past that I am kind of a serial hobbyist though I didn’t I never dropped into drones. But you know, trading cards 80s and 90s toys and memorabilia remote control cars. Yeah,
Jim Collison 16:51
yeah. Yeah all behind you. Why don’t you I’m gonna make you or your show you guys showing that again? Let me let me make you full screen and just take your time camera over there like you did for us before and you might want to if you’re watching listen to the audio you’re gonna have to come to the video for this part, but but to take us over there, right just give us a
Mike Wieger 17:09
Yeah, full collection. Look at that.
Ryan Kerschner 17:11
Yeah, so there’s some ninja turtles in and most of my stuff you know, you’ll I’ll get some complaints because everything’s still packaged and on the card but 80s and 90s just just toys just collectibles
Jim Collison 17:24
is that that’s collectibles for you or for me
Ryan Kerschner 17:28
into my kids I was complaining and asked why don’t open them
Jim Collison 17:31
you think you’ll sell them someday or what’s not right now? Okay
Ryan Kerschner 17:36
I’m not enough for the investment. Yeah,
Jim Collison 17:38
just have it just good to good to keep around. Do me a favor bring your camera down a little bit more Me too. Let’s get your head yeah it’s funny those things we kind of collect Mike you have any memorabilia kind of stuff like that that you collect or is everything kind of current you sell stuff super fan I do
Mike Wieger 17:54
yeah. I mean buy and sell yeah even old tech hardware I’m if I’m not using them getting rid of it if it’s something I can’t see a future use for I’m going to get rid of it because it because I am such a serial hobbyist. I need something to fund the next hobby so usually so let’s start from the old hobby you know it’s like I quit ham radio last week I sold all that stuff and now I didn’t still very into ham radio but that’s what I will do when I get out of it is sell that to get in the next happy
Jim Collison 18:21
you did that well my friend I was for a second I’m like oh my god he really did it.
Mike Wieger 18:26
Yeah, very much still in the ham radio every single day. That’s super great.
Jim Collison 18:31
Yeah, well different it’s it is interesting the different approaches you know Ryan you’re kind of a by keep you know memorabilia I don’t and Mike is kind of keeping sell I don’t do really either. I just got a bunch of junk like you know, and and I’m trying to weed some of that out as well but we all have our we kind of all have our things that kind of keep us those hobbies. I’ve got a boatload of stamps down here that are my dad’s nobody’s buying stamps right now. You know, it’s so I’m kind of holding them thinking well, maybe stamps will come back around at some point and that we cannot we can unload those. That was his collection. Nobody in the family really wants to do stamps. And again like right now there’s nothing out there. It’s pretty it’s pretty quiet. There’s there’s a few hobbyists but it is one of those things. Maybe I’m hoping we’ll we’ll come back around, we’ll be able to kind of move that stuff.
Mike Wieger 19:23
So excited coin right.
Ryan Kerschner 19:26
It’ll come back right?
Jim Collison 19:28
outside. Oh, my God, that’s too funny. Ryan, let’s get to know you a little bit. You’re certainly you’re writing the reason we kind of have you on is because you’re you write for thing computers doesn’t work. Tell us a little bit about what that is. And there’s a lot of reviews out there. I mean, I think that’s a pretty good site for this audience. Right? You guys are writing for a lot of the stuff that you probably hear here. Now Tonight, we’re going to probably get a little nerdy on some hardware, we wouldn’t get typically that nerdy but we’re going to have you on because we’re at we’re going to do that. But tell me a little bit about think computers.org and why you guys do what you do?
Ryan Kerschner 20:06
Sure. So think computers we it’s almost very similar to the podcast, right? news reviews, product updates, right? Your intro kind of gives exactly what we do on the website. So we cover industry news, mostly related to PC enthusiasts, gaming hardware, that aspect of things, building your own computers, not so much off the shelf. But components, reviews, hardware, motherboards, video cards cases, I focus mostly on peripherals and gaming devices. So I take a look at a lot of cases, headsets, microphones, keyboards, mice. And then Bob the site owner, he does most of our motherboard, CPU, graphics card memory kits, storage, I do a little bit of network storage review as well. And then Derek does a lot of our cooling water cooling, Erica liquid cooling types of stuff. So usually two to three hardware reviews go out a week, Bob takes care of most of those. It’s not my full time job or anything, I do it for fun to keep up to date on hardware. So I’m a little slower on releasing content. But yeah, just really kind of a hobby. We’ve got, you know, we put out YouTube videos, things like BIOS reviews. So Bob will get a new motherboard and he’ll do his written review, maybe a video about it and then go through the BIOS page by page setting by setting just showing it off. And those are actually really popular content. And you know, lots of social media interaction, things like that. So just a overall PC tech enthusiast websites and organization.
Jim Collison 21:46
Yeah, it’s it matches what we do here pretty well. You guys have a podcast as well think, podcast. Are you on that? And how’s that work?
Ryan Kerschner 21:54
Every now and then. It’s usually our site owner, Bob and Derek, they do a weekly podcast that goes over kind of the week’s news, some of the new stories that we’ve written about the reviews that are published that week, next week’s reviews, and I’m on there every now and then usually I will record content content separately, and then submit that to Bob. And he’ll kind of mix that in there. Every now and then I’m on the life though.
Jim Collison 22:19
This is not your full time job. Right? You you do nothing else.
Ryan Kerschner 22:22
Yeah, I work in it in the financial industry. Nice. Been in that what
is that coding? Or? No, no,
absolutely. I couldn’t code myself out of a wet paper bag. I like to say, I can look at some code and maybe figure out what it is. But if I have to write it now, you’re maybe a batch file every nothing. No more customer support. desktop support management.
Jim Collison 22:45
Yeah, no, I think it fits. It fits this what we do. I think if you liked this show, you’ll probably like it head out to think computers.org subscribe to the podcast as well. I haven’t I haven’t listened to it yet. But I’m sure it is great. Ryan, you have we want to spend a little time talking about some of the posts you’ve done include these in the show notes as well. But one of the and then this is an area that all of a sudden in the last couple years seems to have gotten pretty crazy. And this is the area of cases like, you know, cases have always been cool. And I’m not just saying like all of a sudden in the last three months, you know, we’re seeing all these cool cases. But man, there are a lot and are you finding in the space you review these quite a bit? Are you finding that the space is kind of exploded with new cases? I mean, is that that just you’re gonna you’re going to show us one here, but just seems like recently know. Yeah, there’s been a big explosion of cases. Would I be correct on that?
Ryan Kerschner 23:40
Yeah, I think so. You still have a lot of your players that have been in the game for a long time, you’re cooler masters, your Coursera. And you’re absolutely right. And the reason I don’t, there seems to be a resurgence of PC, builders and gamers every now and then it kind of feels like the ebb and flow of console’s are we’re a little more popular and then PCs will come back in and then console’s will come back again, kind of, really, to me, it feels like when the new consoles released, everybody swings back over to that side of things. But the enthusiast industry for cases and components, and everything has really always been there. But I think you’re seeing a lot more of them. Now you’re seeing a lot flash year builds. Now that everything’s got RGB and tempered glass and controllable lighting, all those types of things, you’re just kind of I think noticing it more. Back when I first started doing reviews and builds in the early 2000s. You know, I would go I bought went out, bought a Dremel and cut a hole in the side of my case and found a piece of plexiglass and you know, stuck it to the inside of the case. So I had a window before windows were really a thing and modifying EL wire for car components used to run EL wire inside of cars that run off a 12 volt to light up. Well, I modified that but in no case and used to have cold cathode tubes are now in micro LEDs and things like that. But you’re absolutely right that the case market is really blowing up with all sorts of cool innovations is is the care of
Jim Collison 25:09
the cases innovating on the inside as much as they are as far as lighting goes, because they know, you know, Andrew in the chat room says Is it bad that I don’t want RGB? No, no, no, totally not. Are there other innovations going on inside the cases just besides the lighting?
Ryan Kerschner 25:25
cooling is a big one being more efficient with it tempered glass, when it first came out, I think a lot of case designers and vendors weren’t necessarily thinking about some of the repercussions of tempered glass, you’d see a lot of glass up front to show off maybe the fans that were behind them. But then there was no separation or very little separation between the fan and the glass. So you’re starving the case for air intake. We’ve kind of gotten past that. Internally, your cable management making room for components hiding certain things and knowing that some components look better with it with a winner and others. So finding ways to highlight those different orientations. Things of that nature. But no, you’re not wrong or bad for not wanting RGB, right? It’s a personal preference as much or little lighting as you want. Just
Mike Wieger 26:16
like exploded, I’ve always worked. So I have never I’ve built mining rigs. So as far as the computer I took old cases or even a new case, but really cheap case. When I was looking at cases, I was like dang there you can price range from like, you need a cheap 1520 our case and you could spend $100 on a case. Yeah, what makes a good case of good cases in general, before we start getting into the reviews, what are you looking at what categories you can have reading these things on.
Ryan Kerschner 26:38
So types of materials, a lot of your cheaper cases are going to be a thinner steel build, which is fine steel cases are great, especially if you’re just getting into the hobby and don’t want to spend a ton of money. But they’re just not as high and you’ll get some flexibility, they don’t dampen noise very much things like sharp edges is in some cheaper cases, they just don’t spend the time to round edges or paint things thoroughly. They don’t use primer on the case sometimes. So when you’re putting the screw in or taking it out, it’ll actually chip the paint off. You know, one of the cases I looked at is four millimeter thick aluminum all the way around it essentially. So that’s a you know, high end material that’s bent and shaped and formed nicely.
Mike Wieger 27:27
Because I noticed like on the cheap one I got like even like it was surprised the PCI expansion slots were like you broke it off instead of like being able to unscrew it take the blocker out right there like so I think you’re right in the sharpness, those are the two things I noticed. But I’ve never had a higher end PC. So I didn’t know what kind of things you’re looking at when you get in those cases on on what you’re spending money on. So that makes a lot of sense.
Ryan Kerschner 27:48
Yeah, you’ll find extra, you know, thought put into how cables are run to keep things clean and improve airflow. You’ve got your you know, you have your power cables and your data and your front IO headers and things like that, that plug into the motherboard, well, they don’t have to run somewhere. And sure you can leave them jumbled up inside of there. And if you’ve got a side panel on a case that doesn’t have a window, it’s really not that big of a deal, it might cut down on some of your airflow and make things harder to work on if you need to. But just including options for making things look clean and tidy, are a nice addition as well.
Ease of use ease of installation. Yeah, really, really
Jim Collison 28:26
does wonders, it’s almost a tool in itself. With some of the the way. I’ve watched some builds on YouTube folks going through actually showing the build putting it together the things they do. In some of the more expensive cases, it’s been interesting to see the care that goes into the build itself. I mean, I’m just kind of used to you get the motherboard out, just start jamming things in it, turn it on, make sure it’s working, okay, set the board and start putting stuff in. And I’ve watched these guys put, you know, put gloves on and be really careful now, with water cooling, you got to be really, really careful on cleaning up some of those things. And making sure right, I mean, just as far as getting all that stuff done. But it is really, on some of these really nice cases, I’ve watched a lot of care going into making sure that things don’t get scratched or the you don’t get stuff on the glass so that it stays it continues to look really, really nice. Now my house, I let that thing run for two weeks, it’s got dust all over. Right. So you know, I’m constantly dusting in your review, and I put the link in the in the chat room as well. It’ll be available in the show notes, you look at a Silverstone LDO three, case review, when you’re thinking about reviewing a case, you’ve done this for a long time, do you you have a process that you go through and you review these,
Ryan Kerschner 29:46
it’s kind of similar for cases, you know, obviously we take a look at the packaging with with all the glass that is shipping with cases, we want to make sure that it’s got adequate cardboard and foam protection around it. Just so that it makes it to you safely. The worst thing would be to order a case it shows up, you open it up and you have 1000 pieces of broken tempered glass inside the box. Right. So that’s one of the things we’d like to take a look at make sure that it’s secured properly, makes it to you in one piece or not broken up. And then we just kind of take a look at the outside from from each panel of the case, you know, take a look at the front the sides the top of the rear, is there ventilation on top? Or is it just out the back? How are the fans oriented? Is there a filter on the bottom for the power supply to take areas. Okay, so you’ve got the review pulled up there. And we’re right now you’re showing kind of the exterior of that Silverstone LDO, three, move up to the
Jim Collison 30:42
top. That’s that’s kind of a look from the beginning. So this is page two, before you can talk about this, you’ve opted to go on the on your reviews of maybe multiple pages for the review instead of one long, you know, kind of review any editorial reasons for doing it that way.
Ryan Kerschner 31:01
Not that I’m aware of maybe, maybe page views, possibly. And I do think it breaks it up a little a little bit, you don’t get lost between the sections, I do try to try to break it up into kind of an introduction with some specifications and the packaging and accessories that are included. Then we kind of do an exterior overview on the next page and interior overview on the third page, God installation on fourth, and then some, you know, kind of Final thoughts and everything. Yeah, so just just to go back, here’s the spec. So this is what I really liked is how thorough you go. So specifications on it. Here’s what the box is going to look like that looks a little beat up actually. And then bringing in the box page to we go back to Okay, so there’s the case, sitting out you have an area at your house that you that you use to shoot photography for these. It’s actually in this room, it’s right to my right, I have kind of a identical desk set up just a white hard table with some gray background I have I’m lighting boxes and overhead lighting that I use for it. It needs some work. And I think I need a different background for it to just spice things up. But we’ll get there.
Jim Collison 32:10
Yeah, yeah. Right on. So I look at the case kind of a walk around on this. How did you like, you know, little spoiler alert, how did you like this case, is when you got done by the time you got done, something you liked, or were there some issues with it.
Ryan Kerschner 32:25
Overall, I liked it quite a bit when I knew it was, you know, I got the shipping information that hey, this is going out to you for review, I was really excited because it’s kind of a unique design, it doesn’t look like your standard case, it’s got three tempered tempered glass side panels. In the end, I was pretty happy with it, there was some frustrations that I found. But overall, it was a pretty nice design right there, that middle image there. That’s actually the bottom of the case, which shows the intake fan towards the top right. But that rectangular cut out on the left is actually to allow for extended length graphics cards to actually extend outside of the body of the case just a little bit and down below. So when it’s actually tipped up, you wouldn’t see it because the front of the cases covering that. But it just allows you know, for a larger video card to fit inside of a micro or a mini ITX case. Which is kind of really a kind of a neat design. Yeah,
Jim Collison 33:19
yes, this top is kind of a unique design as well, this kind of grill,
Ryan Kerschner 33:23
right, so you’re you have a flipped motherboard design here where the motherboards at the back of the case and all of your connectivity is at the top. And so to kind of protect that and hide that Silverstone design that removable plastic top, it’s got a couple tabs there that you can push in and take that whole top off and gain access to your USB and your network and the power connection up there. And it’s it’s really kind of a neat design.
Jim Collison 33:49
Let’s Let’s continue to kind of scroll through the review here. I’m assuming what are we looking at here.
Ryan Kerschner 33:55
So there it is, with the top of the case from the backside with that plastic cover removed. So you have your rectangular hole there for your motherboard, IO Shield, which there’s never anything worse than putting together your build and realizing you forgot to put that IO shield on the back. It’s like the thing of nightmares. Anyhow, so we and then we have the single hundred 20 millimeter exhaust fan to kind of bring air from the bottom of the case up and out through the top of that ventilated section. And then you have your two slots for you know your video card or whatever component you you choose to fill up those slots with you for these reviews. Are you guys purchasing this equipment and reviewing it? Or do you have the are the manufacturers sending them to you manufacturers typically reach out to our site owner and say, Hey, here’s something we’re getting ready to release or have released? Are you interested in taking? You know, taking that on and reviewing that for us? How long does
Jim Collison 34:48
it take you from kind of beginning to end to get through a typical review?
Ryan Kerschner 34:52
I take a little longer just like I said, it’s not my primary job or anything. So usually allow for about two weeks, by the time a product comes in. You get it kind of unbox get all your pictures taken, edit the pictures, look at what you’ve actually got, do I need to reshoot anything before I actually start building in it? Because if I get all the way through my review and realize I don’t have a picture that I thought I did. And now all my components are there and I can’t really see that picture that I wanted with it empty. I’ve got to go tear everything out and take pictures again.
Jim Collison 35:25
Yeah, takes takes just a whole bunch of time to exactly. To get that done. You do take a lot of pictures, how many do you think you take that you don’t use
Ryan Kerschner 35:34
for the other case review that I released just today.
telling my wife, I took 300 and some pictures of the case. And I pared it down to 64.
Mike Wieger 35:47
So it’s a little bit of, but that’s the best part, when I’m looking to review especially of a case or something like this, what I’m trying to do is plan out my build. And seeing it from every single angle really helps out there’s nothing more frustrating, especially when you watch your YouTube video or something. And you’re waiting for them to kind of show this one piece and they never do. Right. So really capture from all angles, because the people who are regions are probably looking at it from an angle of I want to build with this, will my build fit? Or will it work for what I want to do. So I mean, I think that’s probably really important. I like that you actually go on the high side of photos rather than the low side.
Ryan Kerschner 36:20
Yeah, and this, you know, you guys kind of mentioned, this is probably a good time to if you’re just an audio listener, take a look at the video because we’re showing you know, scrolling through and showing some images right now you’re taking a look at our installation steps, right. So most of the time I start installing the power supply, I typically always try and use a modular power supply so that the cables aren’t there and in the way I can get that mounted in there and then only install the cables that I need when I need them. So it looks like you’ve got got to set the port part where we have the motherboard and cooler installed there and then just kind of working through adding some storage. The heatsink, that is that is a Silverstone heat sink. It’s a low one of their low profile units. And
it is I don’t remember the exact height, but it is considered a low profile. It looks like gotta remember,
that’s a mini ITX motherboard. So it is actually pretty decently small.
Jim Collison 37:18
Yeah, yeah, Mike, you’re gonna say something?
Mike Wieger 37:21
No, it actually reminds me of the cooler I have the Cooler Master Gemini series, it’s kind of that same sort of design, I kind of Actually, I really liked that design, that lower profile, it fits great in like a server chassis to for those kind of shorter, you’re trying to fit in there. That’s what I use for my own right box.
Jim Collison 37:38
Ryan, do they also send you in dictate what the hardware that it is that’s going to go in? Or is that something you have to have?
Ryan Kerschner 37:46
It really kind of depends in this build, for example, I didn’t have a small form factor power supply. So they actually sent that unit as well to use in the build. And so typically, I’ll use components that I’ve received, you know, from other companies, and we’ll just utilize those components every now and then. But I you know, if there’s something I really want, I’m just going to go purchase it and use it in my build.
Jim Collison 38:07
Yeah. Nice. And so dual, Samsung a 40s. Maybe on these?
Ryan Kerschner 38:13
I think so. Yep. Okay. Yeah, some older drives there. So you know, room for a couple, two and a half inch or three and a half inch drive there. In that that panel, there’s removable, so you can mount them to that and then mount the panel inside. Which is kind of nice. Also, previously, you showed the power supply connected to it out of the unit. But with the bracket on there, this case requires you to mount a bracket on the back of the power supply and then mountain inside of the case up there. There we go.
Jim Collison 38:42
bracket first. Right, so here’s the bracket. Yep. Right, and then attach it and then Brand install it correctly, or the instructions pretty good. Like, do they provide pretty good documentation on the expectations of how to put these together?
Ryan Kerschner 38:58
Yeah, and you know, the case comes to some, they will give you kind of a step by step of their recommendation on on component installation. And it really depends between manufacturers, some are great. Some end up like IKEA instructions, some are non existent. A lot of folks are now and I really like this sending a QR code on kind of a card and giving you a digital download copy just kind of saves on paper waste and things.
Jim Collison 39:22
Yeah. Do you kind of decide that the how you’re going to lay this out kind of in advance from a pitch? So in other words, do you storyboard this review before you do at all to make sure you have all the components, or you just kind of do it, you’ve done these enough that you can just do
Ryan Kerschner 39:37
to do it as I kind of do it as I go on this one, I did have to think about it. Because before I received the case, I was thinking about my component layout, what I actually wanted to utilize in this case, and I came to the realization that there’s no real good cable management. In this case, I mean, you have three, three open sides. There’s no channel for running cables. So I came up with some pretty creative ways to route my data and my power and everything and actually hid a lot of it behind that heatsink there. So where there was that gap between where the CPU is, and the fins of the cooler. There’s actually a lot of cabling in there. If I think I have a couple images where it shows everything that I routed in there.
Mike Wieger 40:21
It looks like Like you said, this is a very interesting lab for a case. But it seems like they do a pretty decent job of fitting a lot into a very tiny space. Like just the way it’s laid out. I’ve never seen one kind of laid out like this. But the way that you know, certain things vertical certain things straight up, they it seems like you’re really when you close this thing up. There’s probably not a lot of space in there left.
Ryan Kerschner 40:43
There’s actually a surprising amount right above that 120 millimeter fan. Oh, really. And I think you could really do a really neat liquid cooling build in here. I haven’t taken the leap yet to do it on this one. I think there’s some really cool designs you could come up with, in this case. But yeah, for the most part, it’s it’s a pretty tight build. Yeah.
Jim Collison 41:07
Let’s hear we’ll move we got to the end of the page. So Oh, we got I thought we were at the bottom. Alright, so then I’m assuming all together,
Ryan Kerschner 41:15
yes, and the lighting there. So if you scroll up just a little bit, the tempered glass panels are actually tinted quite a bit. So you can barely see into this case. And a lot of times, if you’re getting a case with tempered glass, it’s because you want to show off your components and show off your build. And the best way to do that right now is with some RGB lighting, whether it’s fans, light strips, or whatever. So I found a great deal on Coursera lighting kit and controller. So I threw those into the case. And I think it really, you know, improves the look of the case.
Jim Collison 41:47
Coursera really seems to be doing Are they the leader in lighting, at least at this point, it seems like they seem to show up and most of the reviews.
Ryan Kerschner 41:56
Yeah, of course air right now has some some pretty good lighting products. For a long time it was in ZXT because they were some of the first with their nice lighting strips and controllers and ability to do things. But a lot of your motherboards come with the controlling software built in or available for them. So it really just kind of depends. You’re right. Coursera is
Jim Collison 42:19
like I I see them showing up quite a bit at the end of their review and nine out of 10. How does this with a lot of the do they all get nine out of 10? Or do you find some know what the low score?
Ryan Kerschner 42:31
There’s some there’s some stinkers, right. But it honestly takes quite a bit actually to become a stinker. Because for the most part, as long as it’s holding your components, it’s not shorting things out, you’re not, you know, coming up with razor blade edges inside of there. It it’s, you know, not falling apart, if you’ve got a pretty decent product, a tan I’ve never given I just haven’t come across that perfect case. For this one, I think it looks great. The couple issues, you know, no integrated cable management or, or good options there. So that kind of thing that it does come with a premium price. I think it’s 159 160 there, which for a case of that size, you might think is a little bit up there, but you are kind of in a niche market where everything’s smaller, so they actually charge a premium for that smaller size.
Jim Collison 43:20
One of the one of my favorite cases, just as it I think, showing you guys this color Master HAFXB box. I’ve done a couple of these. And I think, you know, there were some folks in the chat room saying Oh, yeah, I don’t need glass I don’t even know So yeah, okay, this is the one I just I don’t know, this style of box is something I’ve really liked. You can get some you know, there’s some some areas to throw drives in that are pretty easy to swap in and out lot of space lot of room handles if you need to take it with you. So this is kind of what I like have you seen this case Have you reviewed at all
Ryan Kerschner 43:55
I have seen it I have not reviewed it, I do believe it’s kind of a multi chamber design, if I’m not mistaken with with your storage and power down below. Then you have your components up top. Yeah, I’ve reviewed a couple cases with those separate containment areas, I really like them. You have good thermal control a lot of times just some good cable routing, usually plenty of room as well which is all
Jim Collison 44:20
great ventilation from both the top you can mount a fan to the top air can come in from the sides. Front, you can get the two fans up front. Just a lot of different to kind of a lot of different options. Mikey Mike, do you have a favorite case?
Mike Wieger 44:33
No. Like I was saying I haven’t really built a PC with whatever like a really nice case either i’ve you know, I’ve had my mining rigs or my servers I use a rose will just cheap server chassis for upgrade everything else you know I’m on the iMac right now or a laptops have never really had that need. I’ve been wanting to do a really nice build though, hopefully sometime soon. And and, you know, trying to find a case like that. I like you know, maybe someone who’s a little bit bigger with that same kind of stuff style. I really liked the style that I kind of like the darker tempered glass mainly because I’m terrible with making the inside look really good. But you know, maybe if I could make it look nice and heavy ladies, maybe some a little bit lighter glass on it. Who knows?
Jim Collison 45:14
Ryan? Are you a patient guy with the cabling? I think cable Yeah, takes a lot of patients to get it right to get it hidden to get it bundled you are you more patient or less patient I’m very, not very patient at all, I’m pretty patient with it, I do like it to look pretty clean.
Ryan Kerschner 45:32
The nice thing you know, with all these components, you have your custom cable guys that will make power cabling and say the cabling in the colors that you want. So they’ll have braided lines for every single power connection for your video card or your your motherboard power. So you can have them create your color scheme that matches your design your build. And they’re easy to route and they’re flexible, more more maneuverable, then standard cabling, so those are always nice. They add a little bit of a premium, but you can really look like you’ve got your stuff together and have a nice, clean, cohesive build with those kits.
Jim Collison 46:13
What so I’m building the custom kit and I all I want to do is replace the cables that came with my power supply. What what’s it going to run me to maybe just get custom cabling that I’m assuming I send them links and colors and some of those kinds of things. It takes a ton of planning doesn’t it?
Ryan Kerschner 46:31
It does when you get to those custom links, like you can buy a kit from any of the manufacturers really so Silverstone, for example, I bought a nylon braided kits for theirs, and they they say, Hey, this is compatible with this power supply. And you know, you can pick up a $20 for a certain cable. So you could spend anywhere from 20 for a single power cable to hundreds of dollars, depending on the types of materials you want them to use, how long if they’re doing customer lengths and bends and all that kind of stuff. So it’s, you know, as much as you want to spend, Yeah,
Jim Collison 47:04
kinda reminds me the days when guys would, you know, refit or redo hot rods. And they would then get custom you know, you would get everything, all the wires, the cables, the you know, the the tubes coming in that mufflers would all be custom kind of custom built, and made to kind of go with all with it all and it looks beautiful. But it’s super expensive, right? And you know, hey, if you want it to look great, and I think there are people, my son, my number two son is one of these cabling gurus. And that kid can cable anything and it looks gorgeous. When it’s done. Like it’s neat and orderly. I mean, it’s not good enough that the cables you know, say you’re taking five cables, and you’re routing them up the side of something and your zip tying them you know, as you kind of go it’s not enough that the cables are just together and their zip tied. It is literally everyone is straight and all they’re all in the same spot in the order. There’s no twist in them, you know, they’re all perfectly straight. Does this ties are all the right length cut exactly off at the end. They’re all spaced like, you know, it perfectly intervals in there. He’s just, he just has the patience, Mike, no patience for that. When you’re doing your
Mike Wieger 48:13
start out with the best intentions, you know, I had, even under my desk, right? Like when I’m plugging everything and I start I route it and then I just get the end. I’m like, no one’s gonna see this. start plugging everything in just doesn’t work. Okay, cool.
Jim Collison 48:28
Well, it’s kind of like the cable. So in the desk here, right? On the other side of the desk for me as a three layer, you know, one of those metal shelving units that’s got would you get it a Walmart or whatever, there. It’s pretty inexpensive. And it works great for kind of a cabinet to store stuff on, it’s open, you can reset the levels, however you want them, you know, it’s efficient, whatever. And every time I set one of these up, like, Okay, I’m going to do some cable management early. And I’m going to you know, do all this stuff. And then I changed so many he’s things over the course of time, and I look at it now. And it’s just a mess. Like, like, Oh my god, this is the ugliest thing I’ve ever seen. I just can’t I can’t seem to keep up with it. You know? That’s tough. Yeah, yeah. Ryan, you’re you. Are you a cable manager like, okay, so there’s cable management inside your See, what about outside? Are you kind of a stickler on? Everything’s got its place. And I’m going to route it this way. And it’s going to stay that way.
Ryan Kerschner 49:25
Yeah, under desk, you know, I use wired components. So I have a wired keyboard and mouse. So I can’t really do anything about those. I have a stream deck up here. So it’s wired. I’ve got the microphone right here. So I there’s some things that I just can’t control but those that I can I try and at least you know, hide them, bundle them underneath the desk. Keep them out of the way as much as I can.
Jim Collison 49:46
Yeah, I think my cables are having children under Mike cable guy. Yeah, the cables you do need orderly are out of control.
Mike Wieger 49:56
It depends on where I’m at. So like, behind my desk, I have the same thing. There’s just so many back there. And then we’re in the basement where no one’s here. If it’s in a place where people are high traffic areas. Yeah, I do. I do take the time to a pretty good job. Especially, you know, like all my security cameras, they’re up through the eaves. There’s no wires coming down. I wireless up all the Ethernet to run really well. It just depends. It depends on where we’re at. I can I can have the patience. I know people are going to see it. I start to lose that patience. If it’s just me down here like this. I think I have the best of intentions to and then you get halfway and you’re like I just want to finish. Yeah, well, I did the same thing as you my server rack when I first installed everything was just gorgeous. You know, zip tie it all straight down one side power on one dad on the other bike, you when you start moving stuff around, you just start moving stuff. And now it’s a rat’s nest of cables and what you know what else I’m plugging.
Jim Collison 50:48
I know, and I even I even went as far as to take some blue tape and start labeling like ends of like ends of things. So I knew like networking became a problem. Like, okay, we’re where does this you know, by the time it makes it to the to the you know, the hub? Where’d this thing come from? Right, you know, right? And Oh, totally. Yeah. So I had to kind of label the ends as well. Ryan, you don’t just do cases. You You recently reviewed a fan lyst Mini desktop PC. We have seen those. You know, we have the guys from kangaroo on there’s been kind of this. You know, we’ve talked about the mini and the mini PC market. Is that still is that something that’s still going on at this point? I mean, people are still selling these these small form factor PCs.
Ryan Kerschner 51:37
Yeah, absolutely. You know, I recently towards the beginning of September took a look at that, as well bite three. Like you said, it’s a fabulous mini desktop PC. It’s pretty straightforward. Not anything that’s high powered. It comes there’s a couple of customization options that you have from as well on their website. So some Apollo Lake processors, you can either get a Dual Core Quad Core system, just kind of depending on the price you want to spend on that. A couple memory configurations anywhere from two gigs to eight gigs, you’ve got a couple storage options. 32 gigs, 64 gigs. What comes with it is EM mc storage. So it while it is flash, not the fastest flash, but for what this box does, it was fast enough for day to day use. But it also supports a two and a half inch and m dot two SATA drive as well.
Jim Collison 52:32
Yeah, kind of your pretty standard PC, I’m assuming in the review. So you take it through show the box, kind of get a set of that, get it set up Wi Fi. On these? It does.
Ryan Kerschner 52:42
It’s got Gigabit Ethernet, USB three, it’s got a, you know, a type C port on there as well. Wireless. Let’s see here. What was that there? Yeah, dual band 2.4 and five gigahertz. There’s
Jim Collison 52:56
a good look at it right there. How big is that? That’s not very big, then I’m assuming the size of hold on the scatter right there. Yeah, I mean, sit here
Ryan Kerschner 53:05
with my tape measure. But
what we’re just talking about 5.6 wide, four inches deep, and an inch and a half thick. Yeah. So how’s it feel really pretty small. It’s actually pretty solid. It is plastic on most of the exterior. The bottom though, has a metal plate here. But it is pretty solid. There’s no flexing to the chassis or the outside of the case. So it’s it’s good build quality. I was really surprised, especially from a company that I honestly had not heard of prior to the review. Where does that come in price wise. The model that I reviewed is the quad core model with four gigs of RAM, I believe, and 32 gigs of storage. And it was to 39 to 39.
Mike Wieger 53:53
See, so this is kind of you’re in that area. Jim, we talked about last week, the kangaroo PC, where you have that smaller form factor, I think this one for that same price point makes a lot more sense. This is going to get all the tasks done, you probably need to do, right if you give this to someone who doesn’t do much editing, they just need to be able to, you know, browse, maybe do a Hangout or a video chat. But it’s not gonna it’s not going to choke on what it’s doing. But still kind of a nice little small form factor, or even what do you think about like a media room PC for for a TV?
Ryan Kerschner 54:28
Definitely. It has the option for a visa amount for it so you can mount it to the back of TV. It does support 4k video output as well. And in my testing a tested content that’s stored locally on the device with no issues and streams from Plex no issues looks great. I did see a comment in the chat from Andrew. He says how many VHS cassettes is that? And we talked about like having retro things here. I do have a VHS cassette tape like always reach so.
So size. So one you know the thickness here
Jim Collison 55:05
little bit thicker that I can’t believe you found
Ryan Kerschner 55:09
family vacation. 1991
Jim Collison 55:13
that is so great.
That is so great. Yeah. So one VHS, cassette and MV me right in that
Ryan Kerschner 55:22
end up to but just setup
Jim Collison 55:24
just so enemies for you. Okay, hold on, let me bring this back up. I am now stuck in a world where I don’t know how to get everybody back. There we go. Yeah, I just kept clicking and nothing was nothing was happening there. From your review on this runs Windows pretty well.
Ryan Kerschner 55:41
Yeah, and came with Windows 10. Pro, you also have the option for a flavor of Linux saves a little money on the cost, they’re
Jim Collison 55:52
pretty easy to get apart or kind of showing Absolutely.
Ryan Kerschner 55:56
Maybe four screws on the bottom to remove that. metal plates there. That’s where the external or I’m sorry, two and a half inch drive mounts, and then it comes bundled with the power and data connection for that drive.
Jim Collison 56:11
Okay, super easy to get into and have a media remote much. Yeah, yeah,
Ryan Kerschner 56:16
it comes with a really basic remote. That kind of get some basic navigation. It’s it’s infrared. So there’s a little infrared sensor on the front of the case as well. So you’ve got some line of sight types of items. But they did send over their link remote, which is further on in the review that I really liked.
Jim Collison 56:36
Let’s skip ahead that looks a lot like a standard remote you get with a Nvidia Shield or something like that as well. You run some, you run some tests on it not as important. Oh, wait a minute pass Mark ranking. So 995.2 Yep.
Ryan Kerschner 56:52
And really, for these benchmarks, we knew that it wasn’t going to you know, break the charts you know, anything crazy, but at least gave give the numbers they’re Cinnabon Shah are 20 is kind of funny 343 points. But when you compare it to other things that are in the thousands and 10s of thousands, it’s it’s a it, try to remember how long it took to run to get that score, but
Jim Collison 57:14
I heard it sent a bench before is that a paid review platform, now you
Ryan Kerschner 57:19
can get sent a bunch or 20 used to be ar 15 was the popular one. It’s just a it renders a 3d scene and it runs it off of the the CPU there. So your multi core types of things will run a much, much faster there or you can configure it to run off of a single CPU core if it you know boosts to a higher speed and you want to see what the that performance is there. And it will do 4k, but 4k 60
Jim Collison 57:46
pretty low score if it’s gonna if you’re going to try and use this for gaming, right? Yeah,
Ryan Kerschner 57:50
maybe some flash gaming, but you’re not going to be playing anything like fortnite on this. So some crystal this mark
Jim Collison 57:58
benchmarks on there. Okay, so here’s the here’s the remote, right, this is so remote.
Ryan Kerschner 58:05
Yeah, additional one that they sent,
Jim Collison 58:06
and how much how much extra for this remote.
Ryan Kerschner 58:09
I believe it’s $30 it’s not bad. No, it’s it’s really not and it’s it’s multifunction. So right there, that image is kind of what I consider the top of the remote with some basic navigation it’s got a left and right mouse click it has a microphone built in. So you’ve got a microphone button, you can bring up an on screen keyboard, it’s got a Windows key, turn the system on and off. And then if you flip it over, you end up with There we go. Essentially a QWERTY keyboard on the backside that’s the so you can hear it and it also is a gyroscope and mouse so it kind of acts like a remote if you will to kind of a more you want on the screen and navigate around which was actually really handy I believe it’s Bluetooth has its own adapter it has infrared it’s also smart enough to know when you press the lightning button on the side of the remote which side of the remote is facing up and only eliminates that side?
Jim Collison 59:09
Oh yeah, I already bought
Mike Wieger 59:11
30 bucks I was just gonna say for $3 That’s surprising I wish every single remote had a keyboard on the back and I actually standard because voice just everyone went voice then that’s okay. But I would much rather just type it in real quick on a keyboard and voice doesn’t work in certain apps. You never know when where you can use it. You don’t want like global voice you just want to type in search bar so yeah $30 that’s a deal.
Jim Collison 59:35
That is that a standard Bluetooth or whatever remote kit that will that work with other other
Ryan Kerschner 59:41
Yeah, I believe so it has a dongle that comes with it a USB dongle
Jim Collison 59:47
here we’ll go back maybe that was
Ryan Kerschner 59:49
that’s okay. I missed I don’t remember if I included the specifications on there. And I could be wrong on Bluetooth but I was pretty sure that it did Zul
Jim Collison 59:59
now I am heard of them but are they
Ryan Kerschner 1:00:02
I think they’re they seem to be based out of Florida and I’m not sure the age of the company. But I was really impressed with things like packaging, you know, everybody’s trying to be nice with their packaging maybe not so much on the remote but the the bike three itself came in a nice box with a magnetically held lid. Just some of those things where maybe some companies spend more on the packaging than they do on their product and it shows it didn’t feel like that with this the remotes all fell solid. You know you I’m sitting here squeezing the thing it doesn’t squeak it doesn’t feel like it’s going to break in my hand the rubber buttons feel nice Same thing with the mini PC
Jim Collison 1:00:46
Oh, I just I just realized I can isolate that is cool. Picture. I didn’t know you could do that. learning more and more about streaming art as we as we go along here earlier in the earlier in the day was saying I could make myself disappear and then they were like you can’t hear you when you disappear. me stop sharing that will go. I’m sure that just show that. The remote one more time. Yeah, hold that.
Ryan Kerschner 1:01:14
Right here. And then it has the light button on the side. And then the keyboard here.
Jim Collison 1:01:22
Windows drivers, then. Yep. No, not a little bit. You know, I’ve been listening to Richard and Josh over into entertainment to Dotto and apparently they’re listening audience there is still tons in their audience of Windows Media Center. And you know, folks using PCs as their media center, kind of at the center of their media center. Yeah. Whether that’s using plaques or whatever boy a remote like that could be you know, we used harmony there was like the harmony remote and some of those other ones that are pretty expensive. This seems like kind of a nice little in between. It’s not your your crappy little I mean, like the thing that comes with the NVIDIA Shield. Yeah, pretty Spartan. Right? pretty sparse. That not quite all the not all the functionality can’t program it. But all kind of the right stuff. Mike, how many of those times you’ve been trying to log into something worse, you know, and you’re like, oh, click, click, click, click, click, click click. Yeah,
Mike Wieger 1:02:24
I mean, that’s why I wish everyone had a keyboard on the back. I love that idea. Yeah, I have one. I just have an Xbox remote that had a keyboard. And I loved it and it broke and the new one I have a nice remote. It’s nice and big, at least as he lost in the couch. But no keyboard.
Jim Collison 1:02:40
I’m just surprised Ryan. I mean, that’s there’s so many still making this. It’s this cheap. So yeah, it made me want to actually hook it up to the family room PC. And now that I’m done with the review, oh, I haven’t had a PC out there forever. But you get this on? Yeah, well, can you find us?
And oh, yeah. There you go in a 269. For the these are now these are the PCs. I’m seeing the PCs that are out there. I probably need to put remote modes in there. Yeah. 3529 you can get it. Wow, Dell sells what a version of a two. Now that’s the Dell projector remote. That’s not it. Okay, yeah. Sweet. That’s super cool. That may be one to take a look at if you’re if you’re still in that media center space. And you don’t want to shell out the hundred bucks for some of the more expensive remotes this kind of might be in between?
Ryan Kerschner 1:03:39
Yeah, so it’s really nice.
Jim Collison 1:03:41
Let’s do one more. Before you I think we’re going to get back. We’re going to get back to cases you got the InWin 905
Ryan Kerschner 1:03:49
Yeah, this is this one’s hot off the press just published today. So
Jim Collison 1:03:53
and so every get second just doing cases.
Ryan Kerschner 1:04:00
They take a pod. Yeah. Exclusive live exclusive here. Every now and then. You know, they take up a lot of room. That’s one thing. So the boxes for them take up room. And you’ve got the case out. And so you got double the space. And so every now and then, but this one, I was definitely not unexpected, I was actually pretty ecstatic to take a look at this. In 195. we first saw it at CES 2019. In January, we did a quick video and preview of it knowing that it was coming out later in the year. Finally got our hands on it. And I was lucky enough to take a look at it.
Jim Collison 1:04:40
What what why what what made you so interested in.
Ryan Kerschner 1:04:44
So you know, we kind of talked about what makes a case expensive, or you know, maybe better than the others. This is the case that I mentioned previously, that has the four millimeter thick aluminum shell exterior. So as you can see there in that image, it is a single piece of form millimeter aluminum that wraps all the way from the rear of the case. beneath it up the front, over the top and around the back. It’s a kind of a hairline, design pattern texture to it. So you have really high end material there, you’ve got your tempered glass side panels, in when is known for making very high quality cases and having a lot of innovation with them. Right there you see the removable air filter up front. A lot of cases typically have intake at the front, you know, on the facade there, this case has a solid aluminum panel. So they’ve designed an intake section below there, I call it kind of call it a tunnel. So that provides passive intake for the interior of the case and the PSU area, there is the ability to add some fans in the lower section for some active cooling. And then on the second image there, on the right side of the case, you’ve got some ventilation for the front fans that are inside of the case. And they actually work as exhaust. So typically, you’re taking intake in from the front. In this design, your intake fans are on the bottom, and then you have a single exhaust at the rear and two at the front that push the air out and to the side out those ventilation holes there.
Jim Collison 1:06:18
looks beautiful. These these holes here.
Ryan Kerschner 1:06:21
Yes. Credit showing.
Jim Collison 1:06:22
Yeah, and that’s part of the design, right? I mean, it’s, it’s Yes, it’s exhaust, but it’s kind of a pretty exhaust, right.
Ryan Kerschner 1:06:28
Yeah, yeah. You know, they’re, they’re artistic. They also every year at Computex release, I don’t remember the name, the signature series that they do, but they have some pretty wild art looking cases. You know, one year they did kind of a clear pod, and some that move with hydraulics, or you know, pistons and things like that. And they’re thousands of dollars and very limited run on those cases. But
Jim Collison 1:06:55
we’re showing the back computer, I’m assuming this is where components kind of go in anything unique there.
Ryan Kerschner 1:07:01
You all you kind of have a case within a case on the 905. So you have that aluminum exterior. Right there, you can see the ad in slot covers to allow access. So they’re kind of actually deep into the case a couple inches, which is a little unique, because most of the time those are right up against the back of the case. In this example, though, they kind of hide behind there and just add for a more artistic and high end look to the back.
Jim Collison 1:07:30
How did you do on fingerprints with that aluminum shield that’s in there? Play the Captain America shield that’s on there had to do with fingerprints,
Ryan Kerschner 1:07:38
it does pick up some fingerprints and it had some from the factory.
Mike Wieger 1:07:44
You know your PC?
Ryan Kerschner 1:07:45
Yeah, your case, we can lift prints. But it wiped down pretty pretty nicely with a microfiber cloth there. Then open on Yeah, let’s do the interior, you’ve got a space interior. Most of the cases nowadays. One thing we haven’t talked about is optical drives. Most cases now are not including optical drive trays or opening so you have all that extra room towards the top right there to work inside the case. So that’s, that’s nice. You’ve got your large motherboard cooler, cut out that kind of square rectangular shape towards the top left there. That allows you to gain access to the backside of your CPU cooler if you have the motherboard and everything installed. So if you want to change our coolers, you don’t have to take everything out. You can usually just swap. Yep, right there.
Mike Wieger 1:08:35
Yeah, I’ve seen not even a place to put an optical drive if you wanted to know.
Ryan Kerschner 1:08:40
Wow, okay, absolutely not. It’s 2019 Mike. Yeah.
Jim Collison 1:08:45
Well, but Ryan a lot of the listeners of this show I would struggle a little bit a little bit that they’d be like a problem like
Ryan Kerschner 1:08:52
you like keep an external optical Yeah.
Mike Wieger 1:08:55
I guess I’m just thinking of for people who don’t have the NAS right they have one computer I mean like a kid with a non techie family wants he wants to have his SSD for his OS and he wants to have like a you know, a spinner in there for data. It just surprised me. That’s the trend it it doesn’t surprise me right. We’re going all towards data Iris towards a solid state but Yeah, wow. Okay, I didn’t know they were already making that move. It’s like removing the headphone jack. Right.
Ryan Kerschner 1:09:21
Yeah. It’s been there for quite a while. Yeah, there’s there are absolutely no openings for optical drive here.
Jim Collison 1:09:26
Thanks, Apple. Yeah, it’s okay, fans pretty good in this one that these I’m assuming these am with the case.
Ryan Kerschner 1:09:33
Yeah, so this case comes to three of their serious loop fans, they have a RGB LED ring around each side of them, which is nice. One kind of unique feature of those fans as well as on that center hub, there’s some ventilation to bring some air into the fan hub and bearings to give a little cooling for longer life as well. rubber pads on the corners to reduce vibration from the spinning things like that, that you’ll find in higher end fans.
Mike Wieger 1:10:05
Yeah, I’m definitely starting to see as we’ve got look at these last few cases, just what makes a premium case of premium right because I’ve played with the 20 $30 ones and they don’t they don’t have these kind of features right
Ryan Kerschner 1:10:19
yeah, you’ll you’ll find multiple drive mounting options there. So now I’m good just kind of going through component installation plenty of room for a module again a modular power supply is my go to there you’ve got the motherboard and cooler installed. Clarence was a little bit of a possibly ability of an issue so one thing to keep in mind when building a PC is component size and compatibility. So right there you can see that on the top image the cooler height scroll up just a little bit there. Where the the cooler would have been this one this one spot
here that one right there. Yep. So you can see the top of the white the white top of the cooler is right along the edge of wear glasses going to cover so you’ve got some clearances there to watch out for
Jim Collison 1:11:05
the gotta deal with it does it does not all components fit right this is one of those where you got to kind of make sure you’re matching your components guys
Ryan Kerschner 1:11:12
typically it’s it’s billed as a mid tower it’s not quite a full tower because you have you don’t have as many expansion slots but it is a pretty large bit our case I see a lot this two are on the back side so you’ve got on the back side or the drives that are mounted there yeah so you’re two and a half and three and a half inch drives have mounting locations on the backside just cleans up the interior
Jim Collison 1:11:36
Do you mount do not put a three and a half inch drive a spinner on here just for a statics or or do you prefer would you prefer to have SSD for everything?
Ryan Kerschner 1:11:45
Yeah, I’m solid state on everything other than mine as storage. But I wouldn’t be opposed to it if if I wasn’t fortunate enough to have solid state storage. Yeah,
Jim Collison 1:11:55
yeah, no, I just a box I pulled apart just had an SSD and and and it actually actually SSD just sitting at this point. Yeah. Well to be a rarity. I mean, first of all, it’s a driving now Mike got all these extras liners, something will come along here that needs it. It’s kind of nice tennis, some equipment down of having a few extra parts, I kind of pushed when I was going into the crypto space, I pushed everything out to something working because I wanted to get as many things working as possible. And now I’m kind of pulling things back in, it’s kind of nice to have a few spare parts, you know, kind of thing going got a spare this I got a spare that I did have, I did have a weak moment where I thought maybe I’ll build a pf sense router. And then about an hour later, I’m like, Okay, I’m not going down. Like I am good. I don’t need another thing to do. So well you do. And then of course, so I’m assuming this is the finished build
Ryan Kerschner 1:12:49
it is and I actually went ahead and purchased some additional three additional in when serious loop fans to put in the bottom section. So instead of just using the passive area intake, I outfitted that with the three fans, so little, some extra areas, and they pull it in right from that front tunnel opening that that angle in that flat part there. And it’s a pretty wide case. So there’s quite a bit of air pulling in one thing I didn’t note, at the front of the case, there’s that little light strip towards the front that you can’t really see on these images. If you go to that one right there. There’s kind of a little Yep, that has a addressable RGB as well. So you can set that to be whatever color you’d like have it run through a pattern, that image there shows the fans running kind of a rainbow pattern. It’ll mimic that pattern on the front. Or if you have a motherboard where you can customize those things. It’s works with compatible motherboards as
Jim Collison 1:13:43
well. Yeah, super cool. Did you find Okay, so this really looks best in a darkly in a dark darkly, in a dark room, right? lights are on, you don’t see these lights as much do you?
Ryan Kerschner 1:13:59
I do right now I have it. It’s sitting right next to me. That’s what I’m running right now. I have it set, the fans are all white. So just a white rain, kind of like that image right there. And all those last couple images are just the fans on with white. And then I did add to light strips as well, because again, the tempered glass side panel is tented, so you’re kind of losing those components in the dark with that. So I just added a little additional lighting in there to spruce things up.
Jim Collison 1:14:27
You posted this article 11 hours ago, yeah, that’s a good day. Nice. gave it a nine out of 10. Not even this case gets a 10 out of 10. Ryan, what’s up with that.
Ryan Kerschner 1:14:38
So I didn’t like the fact that there are no cable management grommets in the motherboard tray. There’s openings to allow for cabling to run to the back side and to route your cabling. But a lot of times case manufacturers will include a rubber grommet there to kind of fill in those gaps, right looks a little cleaner, or a panel that goes over some of those that can be removed when you’re doing the build. But then you you know, attach it back in and cover that up. So a little when when this is going to be a high end case, it’s a $300 case, you’re going to typically do a pretty high end to build in there as clean as you can get it is the preference. Without that you’ve got to do a little extra work to make things as clean as possible. And then you know, it’s got the premium price, which is 300
Jim Collison 1:15:19
bucks. Yep. Yeah. Mike, would you spend 300 bucks on a case? And no?
Mike Wieger 1:15:26
No, I don’t think Yeah.
Jim Collison 1:15:30
I think you get like, Ryan, when you think about the PC enthusiast, who’s going to drop 300? On a case? What’s that persona? Like? Who is that who’s doing that these days? What kind of feedback do you get?
Ryan Kerschner 1:15:44
When you’re building a, you know, a system that’s going to be upwards of two to $5,000, depending on components, you know, you’re spending $300 on a case like this, the working professional, you know, that has the the income to support that type of a build, you know, you can get a pretty decent case for $60, I’ve reviewed some really nice cases from other vendors $60. And they will how’s your components just the same as this case will, and your computer is going to turn on and function and they may come with a couple of case fans as well. It’s just kind of the design and the trends and some of the features that you’ll find on this that you won’t on others. But yet, it’s kind of your disposable income type of person that is going to want to Oh
Mike Wieger 1:16:32
yeah, or your enthusiast, right? Like, right, nice. I don’t want to spend 300 because that’s I haven’t i’m not i’m not a PC guy. But if this is your thing, and you those guys are going to notice the differences, right? Where you where you spend your money in there. Yeah,
Jim Collison 1:16:44
absolutely. Super cool. No, it looks good. This is not not particularly my bread and butter, either. I don’t do enough work or care enough times to take advantage of all the features, I just wouldn’t. Those kinds of things aren’t super important to me. And so I’m like, the more like I showed the one earlier. I’m sorry. I’m more kind of functional, you know, in fact, I kind of want everything hidden, because I’m going to kind of mess up its most likely like, I don’t want that out. But you got it in front of you. Is that something again and get to hold on to? And will you have that on your desk for a while?
Ryan Kerschner 1:17:24
Yeah, you know, I’m thinking about doing a full
custom hard tubing, liquid cooling build. And I would definitely put it in this case. But that means I’m probably going to spend a decent chunk of money on just a brand new system. So I don’t know, we’ll see. I’m it’s gonna be around here for a while though. Yeah,
Mike Wieger 1:17:44
that’s one product I’ve always want to tackle is water cooling. Yeah, I’ve never done it. And it just but I mean, it’s hard, right and then swapping out components. But it man, it’s just the performance, it looks amazing. I’ve always want to do a water
Ryan Kerschner 1:17:56
cooler. Yeah, you know, you can do your all in one coolers that you just pull it up box and they’re already wired together tube up, you know, hundred hundred and 20 hundred $50 from Coursera Cooler Master or something like that. To get your, I say get your toes wet. You don’t want to get the wet. You want the liquid in the system. But at least get you know, see what it’s like. And then soft tubing is kind of the recommendation next where you don’t have to use heat to bend that that tubing to get your perfect bands or spend less money on fittings to make bands that you like, and everything. But I’m super excited to do a really nice build in this case.
Jim Collison 1:18:34
Cool. Then Ryan Ryan, thanks for thanks for saying yes and coming on. And absolutely. That’s an hour and 20 minutes that I’m sorry. No, no, no, no, I love it. Don’t Don’t apologize. This is you know, we’ve we’re always this long. And no matter. You know, it’s funny is no matter how hard I try, they’re all our 20 minutes. It’s just it always just worked out that way. But could certainly sense the passion in that and great to have you on. we oughta as you get various projects like this. Yeah, just ping me and say, we got a few things to talk about. This makes it easy. We’re trying to it maybe it’s just lazy podcasting, but I’m trying to get more regular where the guests are bringing some stuff back like this pretty nice walk through on these pieces. Again, if you’re listening the audio, and you’re driving, I’m glad we kept you busy, but I hope maybe they could maybe they can imagine this in their mind. I don’t know. There’s a lot of pictures. We hope we hope. Mike any final questions? No, I wanted to bring something like this
Mike Wieger 1:19:35
too because I love the hardware side I love seeing you know cases fans, all that stuff. peripherals. Now do you cover like keyboards, mice? those sort of things as well as that your genre?
Ryan Kerschner 1:19:45
Yeah. I mean, I have a stack of for myself to the side and their boxes that are reviewed. And just back in storage. keyboards, mice headsets actually have two microphones that are next up right so have some microphone from Samson coming up and one from I don’t remember the other company but it looks pretty cool. This microphone and arm and XLR to USB adapter was a review that I recently did. I took a look at. Yeah, all sorts of components so so all to head out to the website and check that out,
Mike Wieger 1:20:19
facilitate your views on on all the other equipment we didn’t get time to talk about tonight. And maybe next time we can start to cover some of the whole
Jim Collison 1:20:26
some of that and we can we can maybe we do this and kind of logical units, you know where we look at some things think about that, Ryan and if you got some things you want to throw together, we’ll get you on the schedule, bring you back in and and talk about as well. But thanks for taking the time to do that. And I appreciate it. Thank you No problem. Couple things will remind folks on the way out and can you stay around for a little bit of post show? Sure. Absolutely. Alright. Alright. So a couple things to remind folks one, thanks for all your Patreon those who support us on Patreon. You could still do that anytime. I have one in $5 plans that are out there. If you want to help us out and do that on Patreon. You can get out to the average guy.tv slash Patreon and we appreciate those who do the art. Apparently you can still do it on paypal. If you want to do it that way you don’t want to mess with Patreon. That’s fine, Richard, thanks for your gift that way as well. You can just use Jim at the average guy TV and you can do a a donation i think is what they call that out there. Join us in the discord group. Mike Bruce just told me via our discord group. I want to bring it up because I want to read this correctly. He said I started Hello Fresh in the UK. Nice Nice job. Bruce said Jim got me curious. Ben EK members are in the discord group and have some free boxes. I can send them codes or they want free boxes. I can send them coach Bruce is now pimping it like I used to message me with your email and we’ll get it to him. So if you’re in the UK, and you want to try that out. We were in the pre show we were talking a little bit about In fact, when Ryan join us, how’s it going? He said well, I just got to do a Hello Fresh meal. So it’s like Yes, Mike. Hello, fresh still working for you. It is I skip this week. So I’m doing like every other week. We did last week. loved every meal there. It’s still going strong. Yes. We’re doing about every other week. Yeah, super cool. I should just get them as a sponsor. No, you really should. I really should just get them. You can contact us on the show. If you if you got suggestions. Maybe you saw some things you want Ryan to cover from the site. Let us know Jim at the average guy TV will get him back on to do that as well. At j Collison on twitter. Mike is at Wieger tech. Ryan, how do they track you down on Twitter? At Ryan Kirschner, KERSCHNER super cool. And don’t forget that to this. The average guy TV both media and web hosting powered by Maple Grove partners get secure reliable high speed hosting from people that you know and you’re trusting us Christian and so they have plans I start as little as $10 a month to get anything basic. I mean Christians can do anything. So Maple Grove partners.com. And don’t forget download the app Home Gadget geeks.com as well. is the way to get that done. We are live every Thursday 8pm Central nine Eastern, out here at the average guy.tv slash live. I think I mentioned this Mike, you’re off next week. Right? Is that right? Am Yeah, so I still need to secure something for next week. But we’ve got three guests in a row like Ryan that we haven’t had on before. Although I think Ryan you’re going to become a regular stable here. I’m just gonna, I’m gonna project on and I’m going to predict that J. Ed Sullivan is coming on and of course shipped us some cigars that we still need to Mike you and I need to consume those cigars at some point. And then Frank from next cloud, one of the founders and maybe his co founder, Josh, Josh is coming with him in three weeks. So three guests over the next four weeks. And we’d love to have you come back. And we want to thank those who did listen live Andrew, Joe and Tony. Ron. We appreciate it distributors. Well thanks for coming out tonight without say good night.
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