We have Bob Buskirk and Ryan Kerschner from ThinkComputers.org are back this week as we spend some time talking about the GPU and CPU markets, Hard Drive and Solid State storage and a long look at Bob’s new 49 Inch Ultra Widescreen Monitor. If you are a Patreon Subscriber or follow the Live Channel on YouTube or now on Twitch you can see both the Pre and Post Show there! We have some discussion about CES 2021 at the end. All that and more!
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Jim Collison [0:00]
This is The Average Guy Network and you have found on gadget geek show number 473. recorded on December 17 2020.
Here on Home Gadget Geeks we cover all your favorite tech gadgets that find their way into your home news reviews, product updates and conversation all for the average tech guy. I’m your host Jim Collison broadcasting live from https://TheAverageGuy.TV Studios here in a and Mike we got snow like this weekend and it’s not going away. Like the weird part. It always goes away.
Mike Wieger [0:41]
Like hey, in Omaha when you have your first note, it’s never cold enough. And then it just goes away and then you know usually January snow February snow stick drama. Yeah, it’s still on the ground. It started to melt a little bit today, but it’s been nice. My kids love playing in the snow. We have a nice big snowman out in our front yard right now because they they couldn’t let that go up on the snowman odds of a white Christmas here in the Ohio area.
Jim Collison [1:02]
Do you got any thoughts? I think it’s pretty slim.
Mike Wieger [1:04]
I think it’s pretty slim. I think it’s just a warm up just enough this weekend. It will melt. I don’t see any snow in the forecast next.
Jim Collison [1:09]
Ryan, did you guys get any snow down there in Kansas? Yeah,
Ryan Kerschner [1:11]
we did. We had some last weekend which you know, lasted about 12 hours and then we got some earlier this week, but it pretty much all melted off. So yeah, our chains for snow on Christmas. Zero.
Jim Collison [1:21]
You’re too far south Bob snowpocalypse. Right. Is that yeah,
Bob Buskirk [1:25]
it’s, uh, we got about I would say like eight to 10 inches yesterday. And I was just I just walked the dog and it’s snowing pretty heavily so probably another I don’t know how we’re supposed to get tonight. But yeah, I haven’t taught like I haven’t moved my car since yesterday. And I don’t play
Jim Collison [1:45]
you have to shovel you know, you own a house. You got to go shovel the sidewalks. No.
Bob Buskirk [1:49]
So like I live in an apartment complex. They do all they take care of all the hard stuff. Nice. Yeah.
Jim Collison [1:55]
I that there’s days I long to live in an apartment. You know, you’re like no lawn mowing. No, you know, grass care, shoveling.
Bob Buskirk [2:04]
See, like now that I’ve been in so we were in a townhouse and then we just like I just moved to this like small apartment before we make our big move. And I like I miss doing the yard work. And I miss doing all that stuff. Because it was like a break from like my actual work and other other things. The grass
Mike Wieger [2:19]
is always greener on the other side. You always you know, missing that kind of stuff.
Jim Collison [2:23]
I say I like it, but I don’t. It’s a distraction. You’re right. It does get you out during the pandemic during the summer. It was a nice distraction. Although Mike I you know, we had McCabe on you know, three times, twice in person. And we talked all that lawncare stuff, and I spent all the time on my lawn and my neighbor’s lawn across from me. She did nothing looks great. Like it it looks better than mine. Just like, I want a slap in the face. I’m gonna go pour gasoline or something on it. You know, it’s like, Hey, I put all this water on it and yours is greener than mine. I feel
Mike Wieger [2:59]
like that’s kind of like my like my home network. Like there will be times or so will be over and like a your networks asking when I can walk and like oh, because I have a blocker that’s blocking. Yeah, if you’re trying to access a website from a certain country, it’s like sometimes when you don’t mess with it, it’s just better than when we all try and make our stuff so fancy. Like my network. I have way too much stuff going on. Sometimes it’ll being worse than the person who just has a you know, TP link router in the house.
Jim Collison [3:20]
Yeah, yeah, we set all these things up, Bob Ryan, you guys know this, you set up these complicated rigs. Or, Bob, in this case, we’re gonna talk a little bit about it, you got a new monitor the tiny little fan I mean, barely worth even talking about 49 inches worth and you you get you start setting things up and you start having this cascade. Well, since I alluded to it, we’ll just tease folks. We’re going to talk about this gigantic monitor that Bob has later in the show. So it’s coming up, but you start setting these things up and then it has a cascading effect of problems, right? You’re like Oh, I didn’t think about that. Oh, now I gotta buy this. Oh, I don’t have that. Oh, now I really want this right and pretty soon right Bob, right. Yeah,
Bob Buskirk [4:06]
yeah. You always want like to keep on upgrading or you always want to Okay, I got this now I need that now. I need that and it never ends. Like I look at my setup now and you saw from the pitcher, like it looks awesome. But I’m like I want five more things for my setup. You know
Jim Collison [4:23]
that’s looks pretty sweet. Like I mean yeah, that’s a pretty sweet setup. Now you’re not keeping the light on Oh, is we’re seeing this for those that are listening audio. Bob’s got a 49 inch widescreen curved, we’re gonna get some specs on it here a little bit later. You don’t try to work with all those fancy let the lights are really just for for visual effect, right.
Bob Buskirk [4:43]
Yeah. So I do say that like, especially when I’m working at night, like having a light behind the monitor is really good. It’s actually like at least what I from what I’ve heard. It’s like a blue light or something like that. It’s better for your eyes. But during the day, I really don’t have the lights on like that, in the main reason I got the lights that’s when I shoot my YouTube videos. This would be like the background and you got to have like something cool in the background.
Jim Collison [5:07]
Oh good good for you that you can use it also for for your the YouTube work because you know that at least got a purpose fine. I mean it looks, it looks great we’re gonna do some we’re gonna dig in to some details here in a second but we we tech guys and ladies have that problem where it just the the problems begin to cascade. I started recently doing another proof of capacity Bitcoin project with Ken. And it’s all hard drive based. And so I started replying files, Mike, you’ll appreciate this. I started replying files on hard drives and stuff. And as I then I think, Oh, my need to move that hard drive over here and get this and just touching the hard drives gone. Like, you know, I would they were working just fine. And then I would I would close, shut them down, unplug them move on, plug them back in, you know. And then they stop working or whatever. And you’re like, this thing is satin spun for two years. without a problem this second I move it, it doesn’t work anymore. I’m sure you guys with all the work that you do with builds and stuff. You’re putting it together, it doesn’t work. You walk away and come back and it does. Right, Bob, you’re shaking your head. Yeah, that happens a lot.
Bob Buskirk [6:20]
There’s so many tech things you’re like, you get so upset, you’re like, this makes absolutely no sense. Like, why doesn’t this work? And then you like, I’ll get frustrated. I’ll be like, let me go for a walk or take the dog out. And then I come back and then I turn it on and it works. I’m like, okay,
Mike Wieger [6:37]
yeah. The last PC build I had, I don’t know what it was, I took it apart several times and built it back again. So I thought it was something but there was a certain way, if I kind of touched the case, the whole thing would just shut down. Like it was just a pressure on the case. I think there was it was shorting something somewhere. But I took it apart rebuild it three times. In that case, it would just always do it. And you know, the new computer build I’ve I use some parts from that build and some new so it hasn’t done it sense or something in the new build of the new case didn’t do it. But it’s just like, well, it’s one of those frustrating problems. They just don’t know, don’t know why never will. I,
Jim Collison [7:13]
I’ve found lately is I have a problem, and I’ll work on it late. And then I’m just like, I gotta go to bed. You know, it’s two in the morning. So you come back the next evening, and then the first five minutes, you got to figure it out. Like, oh, yeah, it was that thing and then it’s fixed and you’re fine, but you spent four hours and you lost sleep. I think sometimes we just need to learn to quit. Well, I didn’t I didn’t introduce him. Let me do that. Now. Both Bob and Ryan are back from http://ThinkComputers.org if you haven’t followed that site if you haven’t followed their podcast, head out right now go to http://ThinkComputers.org do you guys still have that contest going on? If they do we just
Ryan Kerschner [7:46]
we just ended like or?
Bob Buskirk [7:51]
Yeah, earlier in the week? I think Yeah, earlier this week. We will have another one soon. I’m just I’m working with a couple companies to get some nice prizes gone.
Jim Collison [7:58]
That was slick the signup like okay remember the old days anyway, okay, tweet this and discord that and these kinds of things. In that it was a nightmare to track it but the site the whatever software you’re using to
Bob Buskirk [8:10]
track that. It’s called gleam, I have a ton of people use it. And it allows me great, and you can allows you to integrate social media integrates our newsletter, and integrates Twitch and a bunch of other websites. So when people complete those tasks, they get an entry into the contest. Yeah,
Jim Collison [8:29]
yeah. And then it’s just a random pick. Because that was always the that’s what always sucked about giving things away was the administrative part of counting.
Bob Buskirk [8:38]
Yes, way, way back in the day, I used to print them all out, cut them and put them in a hat. And then like, on like, I would record it with like an old like, I don’t know if you remember, there’s like little flip cams? Uh huh. I recorded on a flip cam of me picking it out. So people didn’t think it was like, right, you know, right. Like, they knew who the winner was. So
Jim Collison [8:59]
yeah, now, I hadn’t I apparently I have not because I stopped entering those kinds of contests A while ago. I’m like, I don’t need more stuff. And I don’t need more spam and some of those kinds of things. So I heard I think two weeks ago, I heard you guys promoting and I’m like, Okay, I need to go out and do all this stuff. Because it’s the right thing to do. So I pop out there expecting I can’t you know, I guess expecting the old way. And like, I signed in, I signed up for the newsletter and then it was like, Okay, here’s your here’s your scoreboard, and then do these things. And they dynamically updated as I was doing them. Great for engagement, right in the sense that it kept me engaged knowing exactly and I was getting points for it. So that was good. And then I assume easy for you guys to it just doesn’t just pick it for you to you just like yeah,
Bob Buskirk [9:41]
so it has a whole like gleam has like a whole back end where you can go in and you can see everybody that registered. You can. Some of our contests are based on like location, so we can see where the person is located at and you can double check. If somebody like So say like, like for our contest, you subscribe to our newsletter, I can actively like in gleam, see if they’re subscribed or not. Because a lot of people will subscribe in the next day they’ll unsubscribe and it will still count. Right? So you can do all that kind of cool stuff. And then yeah, you just hit like pick winner, and then it just randomizes and picks. Yeah,
Jim Collison [10:17]
no, it’s great way too. Great way to do it. Okay, so you have a contest coming up on computers.org. Make sure you at least sign up for the and I think it’s weekly, right? You guys send out a weekly newsletter? Is that correct?
Bob Buskirk [10:27]
We send out anytime we post a new review, okay. Or like our podcasts or anything like content besides news, it goes out. So it’s like, I would say like two to four emails a week. What go on that?
Jim Collison [10:41]
Yeah. But uh, keep up to date on what’s going on over there. They got great reviews, great hardware. From an audience perspective, if you like this show, you’ll really like that show. And you’ll like the posts over there. So we’ve had them on a bunch thing. computers.org you want to head over there, I get that done. I will say I’ll remind you to, as well, we, you know, we continue to partner with hover, head out to https://TheAverageGuy.TV/hover for your first domain. Get to two bucks off, we make two bucks as well. Great way to support Home Gadget Geeks just use https://TheAverageGuy.TV/hover. And then I was just chatting with Christian and then he’s got plenty of space for you over a Maple Grove Partners. So if you want to pair that with hosting, get high speed reliable hosting from people that you know and your trusted. Christian knows just on a couple weeks ago. So Maple Grove Partners calm a little housekeeping before we kick in here. The next two weeks, so we’re recording it’s December 17. Next week is December 24. The week after that is December 31. Mike told me he would quit if I didn’t give him two weeks off with pay. So Mike, two weeks off with pay. Good right there. Okay, it’s good beers. The
Mike Wieger [11:44]
beer still gonna come?
Jim Collison [11:46]
Yeah, the beer will still be there with my
Mike Wieger [11:48]
Jim Collison [11:48]
Let’s just be really clear, maybe even a cigar. So next two weeks live or off? It’d be nice to take some time off. And are you guys your guys taking next week off? Or no? Will you be on next week? I
Ryan Kerschner [11:59]
think we’ll be on actually we’ll probably be on both because they’re on Wednesdays.
Jim Collison [12:03]
It’s a perfect time for folks. If you’re missing Home Gadget Geeks, make your way over to, to http://ThinkComputers.org and get a get a get in on the podcast over there. And and well, I’ll say thanks for doing that. Then come back and come back. And then this listen to both. When you come back.
Bob Buskirk [12:20]
It’s like you have one for Wednesday night and the other one Thursday nights.
Jim Collison [12:23]
Yeah. Yeah. No, it’s good. And you guys do some gaming at the end of yours. Right? You do? Yes. And then go over to twitch recording
Ryan Kerschner [12:30]
right over to twitch about five to 10 minutes after our podcast ends. And then we’ll game there for two to three hours every Wednesday night. Jim, we
Mike Wieger [12:39]
got you on the Xbox train you and I could do that too. Yeah, I’d be totally down to switch. Yeah, right.
You’re Yeah, you have twitch already up. There
Jim Collison [12:48]
you go. You’re never gonna see me gaming. I know. That is never gonna happen. Not that I’m anti it. I just am not. That’s just not my gig. Now you’re just not my gig. Now I’d rather plot hard drives for Bitcoin currency. Okay, let’s dig in. I really wanted you guys on to talk a little bit about the and I have a name for it. I can’t really say on the podcast. But it starts with an asset and ends with show that’s going on right now around CPU and GPU sales. I haven’t really dug into it. So I’m kind of glad you guys are here. Because I know you live in this space. Bob, let me throw it over to you. If you were to kind of give give me a quick like, you know, I came in from another planet. And I’m like, Hey, I’m going to go buy a CPU. And you know, you would tell me Well, first of all, there’s none available. But give me a kind of a current state. What’s going on in this in this room? We’ll work word weird world. There we go. Have GPU and CPU purchasing.
Bob Buskirk [13:48]
Yeah, so I think the bigger one is, is GPU, but I’ll touch on CPU first. Um, AMD just released their 5000 series of processors, which is a huge leap for AMD from the 3000 series, especially in single core performance is kind of where Intel had beat them in the previous generation. I’ve reviewed pretty much all of the 5000 series minus one processor, but that review will come out next week. But they’re great. And that’s like that’s the process that like that series of processors. They have all the way from a six core all the way up to 16 core. So I could you know, depending on your price point, I could point to any of those processors but the sad thing is that you can’t find them anywhere. You can’t buy them, they’re sold out I know people that have bought them, but their delivery dates Not till the middle of January Hmm. And on the GPU side, it’s sort of the same thing. So Nvidia just released their 30 series or 3000 series of graphics cards, r tx 3070 3080 3090 and I they just released the 3060 ti as well. So again, a bunch of different price points, incredible performance from the previous generation and a considerable price drop as well. So you’re going to get a card for like 600 bucks, that was, you know, 1000 in the previous generation, the same amount of performance. So everybody wants these cards, but on the GPU side, you can’t buy anything. like nothing’s in stock anywhere, whether it’s a physical store, whether it’s an online store, the only place that you can get these, these new GPUs is eBay, and people are selling them for three to four to five times as much as the retail price, which, obviously you don’t want to pay. And then on the even worse side of that, the 20 series, which has been out for what, two years, right? Oh, at least, yeah, the 20 series. Those are even hard to find, and people are selling those for more than what they should be sold for as well. And of course, if you’re building a new PC, you don’t want the older series, because just the value is not there anymore. But that’s like, that’s all that’s available, which is really sad.
Jim Collison [16:07]
Well, the value is not there, but the value is there, because people are Yeah, right. Yeah, paying the price. For some of these things.
Mike Wieger [16:14]
The weird part is on the GPU, though. They’re I mean, those came out a lot when I say a while ago, right? Like, Dude, that was like two months ago, two, three months ago,
Ryan Kerschner [16:22]
I looked this up ahead of time. So September 17, is when the 30 series launched, right, and they still haven’t fixed their supply issues. It is on purpose
Bob Buskirk [16:31]
free. I wouldn’t say it’s on purpose, I would say that one with the whole. Like, I guess I’ll say COVID situation, even though you’re probably gonna get flagged on YouTube now, because, um, but yeah, because of that whole situation, maybe they weren’t able to produce as much, or they just didn’t know the demand would be so high, because demand is crazy. Um, and when it comes to making GPUs like the whatever order they put into tsmc, who makes the actual physical GPU, that process for that order is like months. So they put an initial order of say, like a million GPUs, or whatever it is, until the next order, you know, it’s a two month wait until that supply, you know, that supply would go down. So maybe under the under estimated, also, with everything else that goes on the GPU, there’s all those supply constraints as well. That’s what, at least in my opinion, that’s what I think is kind of going on. Either it’s a mix of COVID. And just the demand for these for these parts.
Mike Wieger [17:43]
Go ahead. Do you think the demand is high? Because when I was thinking about this, because like I had a 1060 graphics card, I went up to a 1660, which was, you know, looking back now that I know what came out, not the best purchase. But I think a lot of people were pretty happy with the 1000 series cards. And so when the 20 series cards came out, it was kind of that first gen ray tracing, I think people like well, we’ll give it one more generation for that to get a little better price may come down. So you probably have a huge influx of first of all the people who are on the 1000 series cards that want to now upgrade to ray tracing. But then with the price decline, you probably have enticed a lot of even the 2000 series card people to like, Hey, you know if I could upgrade, and if I could take advantage of selling this card if people still want, you know, my card, it probably just like, into the demand kind of seems like it would be there from all sides.
Bob Buskirk [18:36]
So before the 3000 series launch, we saw like a 2080 ti, which was what what was that? 12 $100? Right.
Ryan Kerschner [18:45]
$100 as well
Bob Buskirk [18:46]
are before the before the 3000 series launch. People were like I’m selling my 2000 series. So we saw like the highest end card which was 2080 ti 12 $100 card, I think the lowest it went on eBay was maybe $400 or something. So like, people were trying to get rid of these, like crazy to get the new card and then the new card came out. And then it just messed up everything. because there weren’t any available. And then somebody got that car for 400 bucks that they could resell it for basically 12 $100 again, because there’s no cards available.
Mike Wieger [19:19]
There’s no supply. Yeah.
And that poor guy is stuck without a card probably originally sold. It hasn’t be able to get and
Bob Buskirk [19:27]
yeah, but you’re you’re you’re completely correct, like first gen ray tracing. It was I wouldn’t say it’s a was a big failure for Nvidia but not enough game supported it initially, the actual raw performance of a 2080 ti versus a 1080 ti wasn’t the best, like it’s not a huge leap as far as raw performance. Whereas the 3000 series like it’s a massive leap, especially over the the 110 series or 1000 series, but even over the 20 series, it’s a big leap in performance. And the prices are dramatically lower. So everybody wants it. And again, I think COVID has a lot to do with that too, because so many people right now are just at home. And they’re like, well, if I have to work from home, I’m gonna buy my you know, I’m going to build myself a nice new PC so I can game as well or, you know, there are a company might be like, here’s, you know, you have this X amount of money to build yourself a PC to work from home, there’s all that stuff going on. So it’s a mess. Yeah, I
Mike Wieger [20:28]
should go back to my 1060 and sell the system 62 Josue just said, there’s a market for that. 1660. But hey, you know, join the game, play a play, right?
Bob Buskirk [20:37]
It’s a it’s a mess. And I feel so bad. Because again, like, we’ve talked about it on our podcast, so many of my friends, not even big PC people, but they know I’m like, I’m the PC guy. They’re like, I’m building a new PC. I have 1500 bucks, like, and I want to be like, you know, AMD 5000 series, you know, a new 3000 series graphics card, but I’m like, just wait, you have to wait a couple months, because there’s no point. And I don’t want you to buy some, like build something now that’s last gen or because you’re not because like, I would feel so bad because it’s just older hardware, that’s not as good. But you’re gonna pay full price for it. Now. It’s just pre you can get like the CPU or like get the motherboard. But now you’ve waited for the CPU. And now the next iteration coming out in four months, right? You’re like, Wow, I didn’t even get to use that. And it’s you just
Mike Wieger [21:28]
waste money on that. 5000 series CPU you mentioned is that the same socket as the 3000 series CPUs, they stuck with the same Wow, yeah,
Bob Buskirk [21:36]
so it will slot right into x 570 or P 550. motherboard.
Mike Wieger [21:41]
No problem and the X 570 now I need a better CPU. Dang it.
Bob Buskirk [21:46]
Mike Wieger [21:48]
All right. I might have some new parts. I can’t order it. See, this is great. I’m glad it’s out of stock because otherwise this show I would be spending a lot. This is dangerous for Mike when we are very dangerous. Yeah,
Jim Collison [21:56]
he has things ordered. Usually by the time we’re done, Bob, you don’t have sold. Well bought and sold. Yeah. Right. And used and you wrote a blog post about it. And it’s like, I was like Danny was quiet. Bob I think he wrote you you posted a an article on your site about some Nvidia cards being stolen, as well as have we had seven thievery in the process. Let me find it on the
Bob Buskirk [22:23]
site real quick before a lot
Ryan Kerschner [22:25]
of a lot of issues, you know, the ones here but just all sorts of shenanigans related to these GPUs. It’s really sad from theft to just the extents of you know, the bots buying up all the inventory from you know, Nvidia and and the links they’re having to go to try and get these cards into the hands of legitimate purchasers. So that’s that’s really
Jim Collison [22:48]
cool. The bots will Baba you’re finding that takes time. The bots seem to be and this is like this sales cycle starting with the Xbox and the PS five. I’ve never heard so many people and I think I even heard Joe maybe on Twitter say that that peep more and more people are using bots to to purchase these things. Is that also becoming a problem? I mean, yeah, we have theft. Bob talked about this article a little bit that you were you post
Bob Buskirk [23:17]
Yeah, so $336,500 worth of MSI RT x 39 graphics cards were stolen. So, um, you know, I guess you would say like, back in the day, I think Ryan talked about this in our podcasts, like people would sell people would steal like DVD players out of, you know, off a truck or whatever. And this is kind of like the same thing. But it’s with graphics cards, which is crazy. Um, but this, this happened over in China, outside of their factory, and they said that’s 40 container with an estimated value of 2.2 million won, which is about $336,000, which would be 224. r tx 3090 graphics cards were stolen. Those are selling anywhere. It’s a 14 $100 car that’s selling anywhere from two to three to $4,000 on the black market or eBay. You want
Jim Collison [24:16]
to call it that’s quickly become the black market, right?
Bob Buskirk [24:19]
It’s like you would hear these stories about you know, TVs and other things, but you would never hear it about graphics cards, but the demand for them is so high that Yeah, people are going to break the law to get a bunch of these in illegally sell them. You know,
Jim Collison [24:33]
do you think like crypto is it? 2100 or 2021 2223.
Tonight, like I am just struggling to say words. Yeah, $22,000 right for Do you think there’s any drive? You know, GPU mining is out. Like, you just can’t i can’t put these two together and say yeah, I want it that you like it. More
Bob Buskirk [25:02]
the political climate, I would say, for crypto, I have a bunch of crypto that I’ve had for years, which I’m very happy that it’s very high. Um, but yeah, I would say that, um, that’s, that’s one of the big factors that is going up is
Ryan Kerschner [25:20]
lack, you know, the sheer opportunity to make the money because it’s such a hot commodity and limited resources, right? Like, hey, there’s only so many of these, I can steal them and make a ton of money.
Jim Collison [25:30]
I haven’t done a lot of work in knowing if these new graphics cards compete with a six at all, because those were, I mean, for the longest time, I still think in a six box would be still, you know, X number of times faster than any, any GPU could do. I just thought we’d moved on from that. But
Bob Buskirk [25:49]
it was never it got to the point where it wasn’t profitable. Because you’re right, you’re right. You’re like, your electricity bill would be too high. Or like I always used to like, this was like years ago, but like, actually, there were places that you could like rent, they were like, electricity was included. And I was like, Well, listen, I’m just gonna, like, buy a bunch of GPUs. And just have a mind all day. I mean, I’m not paying for electricity, I guess
Jim Collison [26:13]
at $22,000. You know, coin, all of a sudden you start thinking, Well, I mean, it’s, it’s making now that’s, you know, 567 times what it was a year ago, at this point, maybe doesn’t make financial sense. Maybe that is driving.
Bob Buskirk [26:31]
I do have a button like So typically, AMD graphics cards are better. And I have a bunch that are right. Right over here that are just sitting in boxes, so maybe I should
Jim Collison [26:46]
Well, yeah, I don’t know, I Mike had caused me, you know, nice hash, which we used early on. Yeah, yeah. They had that hack back in 2018. And, and a bunch of people lost a lot. I didn’t have a lot. So I lost some they’ve been repaying that back. And I wish I bet they wish they had paid it all back before. It got expensive to pay it back. Because they’re paying the final payment was yesterday. Today’s the what is today, the 17th. And the final payment was yesterday for everybody. So by the way, if you are in nice hash at all, you might want to go and you maybe forgot about it, you might want to go check that out. Might have I might have a few days.
Bob Buskirk [27:28]
As always, like as soon as I hit a certain amount on nice acid, I always transfer it out.
Jim Collison [27:35]
Remember the good old days when that wasn’t a taxable event? Yeah, you know, so, so I kind of wonder, okay, now I don’t know, before I was gonna poopoo the whole Bitcoin thing. I was gonna make fun of it. But now that I start doing the financials on it, you’re like, Okay, maybe that’s part of it. I think the PC bill, you guys mentioned this just a second ago, the PC build thing, too, I think is a big deal. I think a lot of people are building right now, Mike, don’t you think
Mike Wieger [28:00]
a lot of people are building and like I mentioned earlier, I think a lot of people are upgrading, right? Because I think a lot of people skip that 2000 series card to get it like like I did, right? I mean, I went with the 1660 just so I can get the Turing architecture and have a little bit better. Back when I was streaming, it did better. Now I’m gonna Oh, guys, when you try it, when you do the encoding on your GPU for streaming, I can never remember what that’s called. And Vink or some like that the instead of CPU hardware transcoding, I use the Nvidia encoder, it’s a little bit better with the Turing architecture on the 1660 because it’s 1660 had the 2000 series Turing it just didn’t have ray tracing. So I think a lot of people are just upgrading and I know, but like you said, for some reason, even non tech people that I know are really kind of getting into this building thing. My brother in law’s a perfect example. He just built his first PC this year, and he’s like addicted to it he we actually he convinced my father in law that his mom needed a new computer and he’s like, just let me build it just give me the budget let me go build it and he had a blast with it. So we’re giving it out this week and he’s super excited he built a sweet little computer for customized cuz she’s a photo editor. She’s not a gamer, so she didn’t need the graphics card. She needed more beefy CPU and he did all the research and I mean that it’s a thing now and especially with with like, pew, I think computers and YouTube like there’s just so much available information. A lot of people are switching and gaming. We were in this phase right before the new Xbox and PlayStation came out where PC was just killing the game as far as like if you wanted the game to look good, like I have gone back and forth between my Xbox One of my PC and it is just like I can’t believe I played on the Xbox for so long. Now the new generation consoles are out so that might not be as much of a motivation before but man for the time leading up to that where the consoles are really lagging people were kind of starting to switch over to a PC master race and and check it out. So there I think there was just it’s kind of like the perfect storm of everything leading up to these all being sold out. You know, you add in the human virus and everything like that and it was just crazy. I didn’t expect it to last this long, but that was my big thing. like Ryan, you said September was when these things came out. I thought they would have had the supply chain fixed by now. But apparently,
Bob Buskirk [30:07]
there there’s rumors that it will be fixed in like end of February but
Ryan Kerschner [30:13]
so long, so long.
Mike Wieger [30:15]
Is there anything on the AMD side as far as GPUs? I know that they were some announcements to write
Bob Buskirk [30:20]
a snare, nearly same problem. So they announced a 60 860 and 100 x t and 6900 x t. All which do you compete with invidious products?
Ryan Kerschner [30:33]
Bob Buskirk [30:35]
I haven’t, test so I don’t know. Like personally, but from what I’ve seen, they’re pretty competitive,
Mike Wieger [30:42]
is dramatic is like rising versus Intel were like rising all sudden was just like, if you were building a PC,
Bob Buskirk [30:48]
at least from what I’ve seen, it’s not that dramatic, but it’s good. It’s like, it gives you a viable option if you’re like an AMD guy, or you can’t get a 20 series, but at the same time, you can’t get this new 6000 series of GPUs either. They’re pulled out everywhere as well. So it’s kind of like,
Jim Collison [31:05]
just to, like two years ago when you go into fries, and all the GPUs were cleaned off the because that was a crypto thing, right? And in people are just, we’re just dying, you know, like, I can’t get how much of it? Do you think too, is that because there’s nothing there? People want them more? You know, it’s just kind of that scarcity. Yeah.
Bob Buskirk [31:28]
And I have a we had a couple stories about that, like, crypto miners are buying the new Nvidia cards that I forget how many millions of dollars they’re going to analysts said that like crypto, the new 3000 series is being used for crypto. So,
Jim Collison [31:45]
yeah, it’s, you know, crypto grew quietly, like, you know, it’s like, you know, two years ago at its peak, so December 2018, at its peak, 21 21,000. And then it just plummets, you know, January, it kind of just falls off the cliff. And it I think it bottoms out around 3000. Right. And it this climb has just been a steady I mean, I’ve kind of stayed with it. Uh, I we’ve been talking about it a little bit, but it’s, it’s pretty quiet, like you don’t hear two years ago, I mainstream press was writing about it. I don’t see anybody like it, when it when it peaked again. I haven’t seen anybody write about it. To be honest. Mike, have you seen?
Mike Wieger [32:26]
I’m seeing I’m seeing different styles of articles. So I guess I think it’s the space. I mean, I think because I see about a lot on LinkedIn. Obviously, I’m in the you know, financial advisory space and institutional investors and institutional platforms, bringing crypto to financial advisors to be able to allow their clients to now have Bitcoin as part of a blended portfolio is becoming really big. And actually, like, you know, I don’t say easy to do, but these institutional people who are offering it are making it easy for advisors to do it. And so I’ve been seeing those kind of articles, which Jim, you and I talked back when we were going through the money thing, we’re like, we’re going to see a shift where we start to talk about the usefulness of this stuff, rather than mining and, and, and, and all that. And it’s still we’re still in the context of of being an investment, instead of being a good vehicle for moving money around. I but I think that’s just the next phase. I think we’re already there. So we’re getting investors in as far as the average investor, not having to have a coin base account, but they can do it through their financial advisor and just know that that’s part of their portfolio and they benefit from a rise in the crypto market. But man, I tell you, I mean, I predicted wrong I it was because it’s really been the last month that it shot up because I sold back in November, I thought it was going to dip a little bit and I was like, well, and we had some house expenses we needed to do and so like well, I won’t pull that I don’t pull from savings do I’ll just sell some crypto, I think it’s gonna go down. Well, man, was I wrong? Because it has more than doubled since the end November when I sold it like well play that one wrong. So I still haven’t decided when to jump back in because it’s just been on an upward climb.
Bob Buskirk [34:01]
Yeah, it’s, it’s tough. It’s, um, I always say after the New Year, it’s gonna go down. That’s my prediction. So I have like, I just have like, crypto that I just keep, it’s just like, it will never move at all. And then I have like, you know, just I have some that I just play with that, you know, I sell and I buy and I sell and you know, and then I have I have an account where like some of our ads on our site people pay us with crypto so like, that’s just like I’ve had stuff in there for like years. So it’s just like that money has just gone up which is yes.
Ryan Kerschner [34:36]
Ryan, do you have any? Uh, just a small little bit like I I just always go back to the thought of my head talking to my boss at work going overnight, did you Bitcoin went from $25 to $50. And I remember talking to him, I was like, I was almost about to buy one last night and buy some and you know, and I was like $50 like nah, no, and I
Jim Collison [35:01]
Just Yeah, make me sick. You gotta buy it at that worst possible when you like when everything in your body says don’t? That’s when you have to do it like that’s the right.
Ryan Kerschner [35:13]
Worth point oh, two cents? I think so.
Jim Collison [35:16]
Well, I think PayPal is accepting or you can buy you can now buy bitcoin through PayPal. I think that was just announced, like in the last couple weeks that they just they just turn that on. So yeah, I’m not saying that’s fueling it. It’s just kind of these all you know, this, these all come together in a really unique time. It’s Christmas time are smack dab in the middle of the pandemic, we had the Xbox in the in the PS five, I get that right specified, right? Yes, five launch going on, then we have these you know, the new build the new is there? Is memory having a similar problem, or is that pretty memory in hard drives? Isn’t it? So now’s the time to buy memory in hard drives. Right? Is that right?
Bob Buskirk [35:58]
I wish there was so many good handles that on Friday.
Ryan Kerschner [36:02]
There was talk. So who was the factory that had an hour of micron factory? Yeah, that micro factory just a week or two ago had an hour of a power outage. And they were saying how much it’s going to affect the prices, you know, in in the for an hour. He said, You know, so tight on the line, right? They’ve perfected it. I say perfected because an hour goes down and you’re having this many issues, but I’m sure there’s
Jim Collison [36:32]
shut down right. And then they got to fire back up. Yeah. So okay, but it we last time you guys run we talked about SSDs in in tos and so it would that market not being in the limelight. There’s no shortage is there? If I was going to upgrade hardware would now be the time should I be buying more memory space? I think I saw him to two terabyte drive at a pretty reasonable price. Right?
Bob Buskirk [37:01]
Yeah, I mean, the prices are really good. Like I said Black Friday was like a perfect time to buy because there are so many m dot two SSDs which is like an incredible people don’t realize like all it’s just like this little thing. But the amount of performance even from like a traditional SSD. So like a traditional traditional SSD maxes out about 550 megabytes a second, if you move up to like an NVMe m, two SSD, you’re looking at 3500 megabytes a second on max speed. So that amount of upgrade, I would say it’s almost like going from a traditional hard drive to an SSD. Now you’re going from that 2.5 inch SSD to an M doc two, it’s like the same type of upgrade, you’ll you’ll instantly notice the difference. Your you know, Windows is gonna load faster if it’s your OS drive, if it’s your game drive, games are going to load so much faster. It’s like it’s the upgrade that I think everybody should do. And prices are good right now. I think there could be minus what happened at the micron factory. I think that prices will continue to go down and capacities will continue to go up. We’ve seen a couple people offer eight terabyte I don’t think anybody’s up to 16 is there?
Ryan Kerschner [38:15]
No, I don’t think so. I know. Cyber it was going to have their eight terabyte NVMe drive.
Unknown Speaker [38:21]
Ryan Kerschner [38:23]
And I think they were I think they were working on a 16 terabyte two and a half inch drive. Yeah.
Mike Wieger [38:30]
I’m so excited for my mother in law to get her computer this weekend cuz she’s going from a 2010 iMac with a spinner as the EOS two now an NVMe SSD and and a rise in I don’t how did you go five series he went.
Ryan Kerschner [38:46]
She has like not waiting on the computer to turn on and do things.
Mike Wieger [38:49]
Well. I didn’t know how bad it had gotten. I went down there. She’s like, Hey, can you do your traditional like, you know, monthly cleanup whenever you come down here next. And I was like, does it normally take three minutes to launch Chrome, which is like Oh yeah. Oh, yeah. And she was she was I usually do that and I’ll go make my teeth and I’ll come back and sometimes it’ll be up and ready for me to go like okay, and she’s gonna be extremely excited. I’m like, No, I that’s bad. And then she she fully edits photos on this thing. I’m like, I don’t know how you do that. So yeah,
Jim Collison [39:15]
we’ll see. It’s a sweet spot, two terabyte one terabyte if I was in Bob, you got this cool little adapter I saw this I checked in on the show. And you got this cool little adapter. Maybe you can bring that up on the screen here in a second. But if I were going to jump in on this, what’s the where’s the right entry point right now,
Bob Buskirk [39:34]
I would say one terabyte is kind of it is pretty much the sweet spot. The price makes most sense at one terabyte. If you do jump the two terabyte things get a little bit more expensive. But they’re like the I would say one terabyte there’s a lot of good drives out there. There’s actually a ton of good drives like it’s there’s they’re all pretty much the same type of part, per se. A lot of them use the same parts, just do your research, I would say. But if you’re on an older computer, there’s a something like this, which is a little adapter. So a lot of older PCs, which a lot of your viewers might have don’t have the m two slot that’s required for these superfast drives. But this goes in the same slot as your graphics card. So you have your graphics card in one slot. And then you have this little guy and you know, your motherboard has two or three graphics card slots. This where this goes in. And if you switch over to my screen, I can show you kind of what’s on the what it basically is, it’s an M dot two slot or m dot two m dot two slot that’s on a riser, and it gives you the same amount of speed as normally plugging in it. So this is like I think this how much was this Ryan 1499 799 7099. And then you buy a an M dot two and then on any system, you can have, you know any? within the past, I would say what 10 years PS Xpress 3.0 right. Oh, yeah. Yeah, yeah. Um, you know, you would have a super fast either OS drive or game drive or whatever it may be. And on top of that, if you do have a if you do have a new if you do have a new motherboard that has m dot two slots, you have those fold, this allows you to add an extra m two is kind of what I did on my main PC is I have all m to storage. And I use a couple of these to give me even more. Even more space on there so I can show you how, you know it just goes right in like this is a you know, this is like a graphics card slot and it just goes right in there. Jen has a
Mike Wieger [41:46]
Yeah, that price point for that card. And for the price when they were just talking about NVMe? Like why not? I’d even think about going all in the me to even taking out some of my standard SSDs. And yeah, one spinner, I haves for games, I don’t play anymore.
Bob Buskirk [41:58]
Yeah, so I think like a sabrent. one terabyte NVMe SSD, which is really, really good. We reviewed I think it’s called their rocket cue, I believe it is I think it’s like 120, or one at one 121 30 for one terabyte plus the 17 bucks for this. It’s like, it’s a no brainer, honestly. Yeah, Ryan,
Unknown Speaker [42:19]
you got it right there.
Ryan Kerschner [42:21]
Up here. So we had he had the two terabyte version of the rocket cue here.
Unknown Speaker [42:26]
If you click on that link,
Bob Buskirk [42:30]
it should bring you to the one terabyte. Yeah. Which is how much is the one terabyte?
Ryan Kerschner [42:38]
Yeah, 1010 998?
Bob Buskirk [42:40]
Yeah. 109 plus an extra 17. For this. It’s like it makes complete sense. Yeah, it really does. It really does. That’s
Jim Collison [42:46]
what those price points are like, okay, 415 bucks. Yeah. Or 120 bucks, I’m going
Ryan Kerschner [42:54]
to a system that maybe wouldn’t have had that as an option. Prior to this.
Jim Collison [42:59]
Yeah, yeah. No, if you guys were talking about it, I was like, oh, that man that could be handy in some spots. And yeah,
Bob Buskirk [43:06]
it’s good. Because again, a lot of people, m dot two SSDs only just became pretty popular the past couple years. And a lot of people have older systems. But almost all those older systems have an extra PCI Express slot, which this goes into. So it just makes sense.
Mike Wieger [43:24]
Yeah, I will say the one thing I didn’t know when I was first starting to look at those that for anyone who’s new to this whole like it, you know, if you’re still running standard SSD, that’s the first time they do have an Andrew brought this up in the chat is a good point to bring up they have a lot to say data. So you can get a Seder, which is gonna be a lot slower. That’s essentially correct me if I’m wrong, but that’s like the same speed as your standard SSD, just using the M dot two connector, right. So it’s the new profile, whereas m dot two NVMe is where you’re going to see those speeds that Bob was talking about?
Bob Buskirk [43:54]
Yeah, so the difference if you guys want to know the difference between those two is that the NVMe, or something like this is going across the PCI Express Bus, which is I don’t know the actual speed, but it’s fast. And then the M dot saitta, or your normal. You know, your normal SATA SSD is going across SATA connection, which is limited in its speed, or bandwidth.
Ryan Kerschner [44:18]
And then we didn’t even talk about all the NVMe we’re talking about now. And these PCI slots is version three. There’s a version for that even faster, but right now limited to newer AMD systems. Yeah.
Bob Buskirk [44:32]
Yeah. So like, that’s good. No, go ahead bump. The fastest like if you have said this, so like that. That drive we just showed you on Amazon, that’s Gen three. That will work on pretty much with this adapter work on a lot of old older systems. And a lot of newer systems have a Gen three connector now on new AMD systems x 570, and B 550 Gen four, which I think the new drivers are Just coming out maxed out at around 7000 megabytes a second, which is very fast, you’re going from 3500 to 7000. But the ones that the initial ones that I’ve reviewed around 5000, but the newer ones that I haven’t reviewed yet are around, like 7000. So
Jim Collison [45:17]
I think Andrew makes a good point in the chat. Make sure you’re checking those PCIe slots to make sure they are what they say they are. Yeah, so you know, and you know what they are?
Bob Buskirk [45:28]
Yeah, so for this to work, it has to be an x four. Yeah, it has to be an x four. So won’t work in an X, one slot has to be x for most of the ones most mainstream motherboards, all of the longer slots, like I showed you in the picture. All of those are x 16. Physical but are typically x for electrical. So if you would actually look at this from above, you can see the pins that are in the actual slot, as long as they’re more than like this little end right here. You can see, like the pins kind of go out to the right here. It’s kind of really hard to see in this picture. But that would mean this slot is x four, so it would support it. But most motherboards all have the X 16 slots. They I’ve never seen an X 16 slot. That’s x one ever. Well, usually that first slot
Jim Collison [46:23]
on a modem, modern motherboard is x 60.
Bob Buskirk [46:28]
Yes, yes. Correct. Yeah.
Jim Collison [46:30]
So if it’s that’s open, if you have doing a video card in there. Because a lot of folks put video cards in there. You could probably move your video card down, then
Bob Buskirk [46:39]
yeah, you typically want your video card in the top slot. But again, if you’re running like a normal 80 x motherboard, you should have at least one more x 16 slot, if not to
Mike Wieger [46:50]
I was looking at my ex 570 to see him like and I do have an extra 16 slot. I could get another. Yeah, I guess I haven’t I have two m dot two slots on the slide. I mean, forgot about that. So I would fill that one up. I can have three though. Yeah,
Jim Collison [47:03]
I like it. Yes. Now
Mike Wieger [47:05]
one computer. That’s fantastic. Yeah. That’s goals. That’s fine. Yeah.
Jim Collison [47:10]
It’s pretty. I mean, it’s just the this is, you know, we got was talking about Bitcoin about buying it when you’re, it’s, you know, the whole world is telling you not to, that’s the time to actually buy. We’re in that spot with the hardware where there’s so much focus on, you know, GPU CPU. This is the time I mean, I bought an eight terabyte spinner for 120 bucks. And, you know, you’re like, Okay, that’s pretty cheap for for where they had been a couple years ago. They’re 150. So it’s not like they’ve come down to 99 or 49. But that’s still pretty cheap. And so I think space. Like if you’re, if you’re short on space right now, now is probably the time to start looking at. I mean, I can get a refurb four terabyte drive for 40 bucks, you know, and you’re like, Okay, I
Bob Buskirk [47:59]
play some, some of my NASS drives, because the ones going bad has been going bad for a while and I just haven’t replaced.
Jim Collison [48:05]
Yeah, well, I would be the time bomb now would be the time like,
Mike Wieger [48:09]
let’s go see, I think the next jump because I’ve been surprised, actually, it’s spinners are staying as expensive as they are. But I guess I have to remember that. Because, you know, I assume all data centers, they’re not using anything, you know, eight or below probably less than 10. I don’t know what they’re using. But so I’ve been surprised that market of like four to eight terabytes is still as high as it is. Because I don’t think a lot of people are doing home storage, you know, this community is we all are obviously we have a NAS with some drives in it. I think that will come down more as the SSD capacity expands up, right, because if I can start replacing, because my whole just because I haven’t want to replace my parody drive. You know, I have eight drives in my Unraid Box. And they’re all four terabytes or less, because that’s what my parody disk is. So I’ve always just bought four terabytes, and they’re still pretty expensive. But man, if I can go like pure SSD, under the grip, I don’t need to because it’s just, you know, it’s
Bob Buskirk [49:00]
cloud storage, essentially, you have to remember to that, like that physical hard drive is a big piece of hardware, and it has the what what are the platters or whatever inside so true that that drive it’s in that drive itself costs far more to produce when like, an NVMe drive is a PCB with like a couple chips on it, there’s no moving parts, there’s nothing like that. So that’s another reason why you don’t see those drives go down in price, because there is a cost a cost associated with producing
Mike Wieger [49:31]
bits. A really good point. You’re right, it’s way more expensive for them to do. Yeah, yeah.
Jim Collison [49:38]
Andrew makes a good point. We’ve had a lot of conversation about this SMR drives, you know, it’s about the terabytes and above. You know, a lot of the cheaper drives are SMR, which, you know, if you’re running in a raid or an array or some of those kinds of things, can cause some issues in there just just depends on your data use and like, what kind of files you’re putting in there and such But now, I think now’s the time to review data, your data and to say, you know, Bob, like, you know, if you’re in a spot with your NASS box and you’re like, Okay, maybe I need to expand that out a little bit, I think now’s the time to kind of think through like, what do I put in there? And how much do I need? Because it’s cheap, especially on the refurb or on the used market on eBay? I got some Ah, GST? Is that the right Am I did I get those letters? Yeah, right, oh, GST drives that have been dynamite. Now, my son’s cat just pulled the whole PC over, and I lost a couple drives as it smashed to the ground.
Bob Buskirk [50:36]
That’s the biggest thing with with old drives is there’s moving parts. Yeah. And with like an SSD, you can like throw it against the wall, and, you know,
Jim Collison [50:47]
well, but for the longest time, you know, you couldn’t get you couldn’t get that kind of space in, in, you know, in solid state. And so now we’re getting to that point where we’re getting close, I think, within a year or two, we’re going to see two and four terabyte SSDs that, you know, people are going to be like, why, why even why even go to a spinner. So that’ll drive some of those prices down. So, Bob, I want to shift a little bit, we kind of let off with this. But I want to shift back to your monitor that you just purchased. And you know, typically, I got, you know, at work, they gave me a 34 inch, ultra wide screen. You know, Dell, it’s beautiful, like, and I get to I get kind of to it’s not really like having two screens. It’s kind of like having point seven, five screens on each side. But it kind of works, right? It’s a beautiful monitor. You tell us a little bit about what what do you have in your desk now and we’ll bring up the picture.
Bob Buskirk [51:44]
So yeah, so I didn’t buy this, the company had sent it to me, I kind of proposed to them, this idea of me reviewing it. And my whole thing was I sit in front of my computer and I’m working I’m doing work, right. So the whole idea was moving I had a 34 inch ultra wide as well. And did I’ve always seen these 49. So I always wanted one. And my whole thing was, you know, what’s the difference, like productivity wise going from a 34 to 49. Because as you said, With 34, you have two windows, that’s how I used it, I would have work on one side and work on the other side. And that’s how I would be productive, right? So with this, this is the the biotech s u w four, nine da, which is a 49 inch ultra wide. It’s 1440 P. So the resolution is 5120 wide by 1440 high, which is really nice. And it’s 144 hertz as well. So when it comes to gaming, you’re still getting, you know, 144 hertz, which is really great for fast paced games and things like that. And actually, the monitor, the 34 inch that I was using previously was only 100 hertz. So yeah, so I literally set it up about a week ago. And as you can see, I have all my RGB lights and everything like that. But as far as the monitor itself, the way I’m using it now is I have it split the monitor into three sections. So I have like a screen here screen like a window here, window here, window here. And I’m using the center, right? Yeah, yeah. And I’m using an application called displayfusion to do that, which is actually really cool. Because I was kind of lost when I got this all this screen real estate. I was like, I don’t know how to do this. And I want it to be, again, for productivity. I just want to be able to snap my windows and with Windows snapping it doesn’t work.
Jim Collison [53:38]
Like you want to center concept today. It’s left and
Bob Buskirk [53:41]
right. Yes, left and right only it’s not it didn’t work. So I got this, this this app called displayfusion, which it’s like it’s free. It allows you to split your monitor however you see fit, which is pretty cool. So I have it set up like that. And I really like it I it was honestly very weird at first because I’m used to just sitting straight and looking like straight into my monitor. And now I’m I look like this but I have so much more screen real estate, which is nice. And I got an I got like an RGB kit off of Amazon for the back of the monitor to do this cool look, as you can see. But yeah, I really like it so far. I haven’t. It’s been like I said, it’s been about a week, I would say since I got it all set up. Let’s take a little bit of getting used to you know, I
Jim Collison [54:30]
joke in the command center, you know, I’ve got 227 inch monitors and then a 24 over here, another 27 on this side. They’re all separate. A couple of them run different PCs using mouse without borders to get across them. And then on the end of the desk here is a 34 so I literally wrap I don’t know it’s not 360 but it’s it’s more than one like you know, and I am kind of swiveling around all day, I imagine with a 40 nine inch monitor. It’s kind of getting used to just all that real estate, right? Where you’re putting things and where to look, right?
Bob Buskirk [55:07]
Yeah, so like my main center screen is like typically what I’m working on, like I’m writing an article. And as I’m reading an article, I’ll have like, my pictures or whatever I’m referencing for the article over here, over here, I’ll have like, email or something like that. Yeah, it’s just getting used to kind of where the screens are, and what’s most comfortable. But yeah, I really like the monitor so far. It’s, it’s, it’s nice. It’s It’s huge, though. It’s like, it is really like, like, wide. It’s just big. So you definitely need a desk that has all that amount of space, I would say,
Jim Collison [55:41]
how did you how did you mount it in the back? Is it has it have two mounts? Is it on a single mount?
Bob Buskirk [55:46]
Is it single, it’s on a single stand, it’s decently heavy. Um, I was gonna get it. I think I’m a huge fan of monitor arms, because I don’t like Like, there’s a stand right here. And it’s just in the way and I can lift it up with a monitor arm, but I’m moving in April. So I’m just gonna wait till that happens to get a monitor arm. But yeah,
Jim Collison [56:05]
it’s just on a single, like a normal monitor stand that came with it. Retail is 900. And I actually expected like, 15 for that size. And so you know, Mike, when I, when I say 900 and the we’re thinking about getting an ultra ultra boujee Why is my kids say boujee widescreen. What do you think? 900 bucks,
Mike Wieger [56:28]
I got a great price. Well, and because I mean, I’ve I was looking at monitors before and, you know, my, my objectives have changed a lot if I could ever decide and stick with one hobby that would really help me pick out a monitor because like when I was into twitch streaming, it’s really beneficial to have like your gaming monitor, and then a separate monitor. And actually even for me, I have four right, I had my Spotify up top. I had, you know, stream labs doing the stream on one and then I have my gaming and then chat on the other ones like I was using all four. And you know, I don’t I don’t twitch stream anymore. So that’s not a big idea. But I still game on the PC. So I love having my main monitor. And I’ll usually watch football on gaming, you know, for something on so I’ll put on something. So Ryan, you touched on it with displayfusion. But how does that work? When it comes to gaming? Could you still game in the center and have real estate on the side? How do games handle like full screen vers windowed? I’m curious how that all works.
Bob Buskirk [57:23]
Yeah, so basically, this displayfusion it so I have it separated into three slices, you could say it acts as if each slice is a separate monitor. Okay, so the game will see whatever that slices now that the slice with the 49 inch, the slices aren’t like a traditional size, right. So basically, what I do is I just disable the slices, so it’s the full thing. And then I play with like a 1440 p window in the middle. And then I’ll have like our stream on the side or something else on the side. But what’s really nice about this monitor as well for like you You have an Xbox is that it does, you can display two displays on this. Oh, as multiple inputs that is more, I think it’s three HDMI inputs, or maybe two DisplayPort to HDMI, I forget, but you can do multiple inputs. So you can have like, like you can have the foot you know your football game on one side. And then you can be doing your work or, you know, gaming on the other you can have PC gaming on one side and Xbox gaming on the other right side by side. Or you
Mike Wieger [58:31]
could even do 282 Eq from your graphics card, just two different wires coming in and have it split that way. So then it really the monitors kind of handling that split, let’s say if you didn’t want to run displayfusion for whatever reason, you could run to two wires just like I am to my four just run to in there and really have to split screens then you could do that. No, I like that. That that’s built in though because you’re right there are a lot of times with me that I have to when I turn my Xbox on I can’t use the center one for the computer anymore.
Bob Buskirk [58:59]
But yeah, this actually I don’t have it here but the monitor monitor actually came with a remote that allows you to switch and do all that stuff very easily.
Mike Wieger [59:07]
Okay, that’s that’s cool. Yeah, I like that it would all be about the gym I think you talked about too is like the productivity is could I be as productive now this isn’t the area where I work just because I have to use my work laptop for work. And I’m not going to switch around all the cords so I actually just set up upstairs with one extra monitor in my laptop when I’m working from home. So this is more entertainment section for me which kind of changes the use case a little bit right so I’m not sitting here doing my my Excel sheets and all of my presentations that I would usually do so I think that could work actually pretty darn well for me down here not now you got me thinking. Sorry.
Bob Buskirk [59:48]
Good. So biotech is might not be a company that you’ve heard, but it’s like one of these companies that it’s like the monitors like a no frills monitor. It doesn’t have like a USB hub on It doesn’t have any. But the actual glass that it’s made out of, because I’ll screen it. It’s like it’s Samsung glass. So it’s the same type of glass you’ll find in like a Samsung monitor. But without all the bells and whistles of say the Samsung monitor.
Mike Wieger [1:00:15]
That’s my style. I mean that for me. I mean, all three of these monitors are stuff I got from like a surplus business that was going out there. I know that I think they’re nadp I do have one nice gaming monitor that I paid money for. But that would be great for me, because all you really care about, you know, is really the size number one. Does it look good to the eye? doesn’t need to be amazing, but does it look good? Now does that have HDR or not?
Bob Buskirk [1:00:39]
Technically it does, but it’s not. It’s HDR 400 which I don’t consider real HD. Oh, yeah. Yeah,
Unknown Speaker [1:00:45]
right. I don’t either.
Bob Buskirk [1:00:46]
Okay. See? bright though. But again, it’s HDR 400. So it’s not like so I would say like HDR starts at like a ACR 1000 like 1000 nits brightness. That’s where you get that. But I think for me, like, I’m a mix of gaming and productivity, probably more on the productivity side. But this is 144 hertz. That it can push that no problem. You know, my graphics card, obviously can push that Oh, problem. So I can game at 1440 p 144. hertz play like fast paced games like Apex legends. You know what I mean? And right. Yeah. So
Jim Collison [1:01:24]
I think that’s it right on Amazon as well.
Bob Buskirk [1:01:27]
Yes. That is it. Remote. Everything that comes with as well.
Jim Collison [1:01:31]
A good look in in I could see what your stand. Like I would not like that stand up.
Bob Buskirk [1:01:36]
Yeah. I’ve never like ever since I got a monitor arm like years ago, I just have never wanted a stand ever again. But
Jim Collison [1:01:45]
have you they’re showing it in two screen mode here. Did you try it? Because that really would be to widescreen. So it’s supposed to three, you know, like they’re like point eight, five, you know,
Bob Buskirk [1:01:59]
different mode so far. For me, productivity wise, the three is the best. But yeah, I met like when I first hooked it up, I was like, What am I doing with all this space?
Jim Collison [1:02:10]
It does take a little getting used to right? When you look at that you’re like, wow, in it? I it’s actually wider than it looks on that picture.
Bob Buskirk [1:02:20]
Yeah. I mean, that one might give you a better idea of it. But yeah, it’s it’s definitely super wide. I have like Mike desk is, I guess the Excel version of this desk. So it’s a very big desk as well. So yeah, you definitely wanna make sure you have space, per se on your desk for Andrew said, Chad,
Jim Collison [1:02:39]
he’s like, I don’t have room for that. Yeah, yeah, it’d be nice. I got me thinking about I probably won’t, but it because I just have already have all these monitors down here, you know, and you’re kind of like, do I really need to replace everything’s working? This is the this is the hard part about modern technology is stuff just is not breaking fast enough? You know, old monitors, they’re just fine. They work just great. And you’re like, Can I really justify, you know, I’ve got hard drives that have been have lasted me 789 years, you know, and you’re trying to squeeze out all every kind of, you know, dollar that you paid for them out of them. And so the allergies is not breaking good, right?
Ryan Kerschner [1:03:21]
It looks like biotech has like a no dead pixel policy on that monitor as well. So, you know, a lot of times companies would say, oh, we’re not going to give you a new monitor until you have more than one pixel bad in a certain area of the screen or something. But with this, you know, you’ve got a pretty good guarantee, having a good screen there. And if not getting replaced, which is nice. I’ve been happy with the biotech that I’ve got here I’ve got a 27 inch 1440 p 144 hertz from them. And
Jim Collison [1:03:51]
I love it. You don’t have to have a gigantic monitor to use this display fusion, right. I mean, it’s got some advanced features.
Bob Buskirk [1:03:58]
You can have any size monitor
Jim Collison [1:04:01]
on it, get a quick run, split up your 24 inch monitor and two different sides. And in in what’s interesting, so with Windows snap, you know, you just basically snap a snap, and you’re done. But it looks like they have different kinds of Windows management in there to allow you to conflict to configure them and split them and fade them, you know, fading for productivity. So if you have one that you want to keep in focus, you can fade the others
Bob Buskirk [1:04:27]
that this app is like incredibly in depth, there’s so much you can do with it. I’ve only got to the part where I’ve split the screens but there’s a bunch of tutorials that I saw on YouTube that you can check out that allow you to do all that kind of stuff. You can make keyboard shortcuts that like will move different things and say if I have like a gaming profile that has you know, the 1440 p in the middle like theirs, and you can switch between those really easily. There’s a lot you can do a lot of that that I have like the free version, but a lot of has to do with like a I think it’s like 30 bucks or something for the paid version, but
Jim Collison [1:05:04]
they do have a pro version. Yeah. Let’s see if we get a price on this here really quick, it’s, it doesn’t look very expensive. I’ll have to look that up. I can’t see, they have a if again, I think it’s just displayfusion.com. If you want to go out and take a look at it, they’re kind of standard, they have a free a pro standard, a pro stream, a pro personal, a pro site and a pro enterprise. So they, they, what are they gonna take from Microsoft? So they got some stuff to do. I think that’s the real, you know, for a lot of folks, it’s kind of like, I’m probably not gonna upgrade my monitor. But it may be worth checking out displayfusion if you’re, if you’re trying to do monitor management, and there just may be some things there. I bought, thanks for bringing it. I never heard of him before. I can’t believe I’ve heard of them.
Bob Buskirk [1:05:54]
Well, like I said, My whole thing was like office. And then I was like, Okay, how do I manage all this space and I wanted to be able like, like with with my 34 inch, I would just snap the window over to one side or snap the window of the other. And I I’m so used to doing that I wanted to do that with this. But I wouldn’t work with just just within Windows. So I there was like three different apps I went through and that displayfusion turned out to be the best one and the one that worked the best for me. And like I said, there’s a ton of there’s a ton of tutorials on YouTube and how to configure it and how to do all that. So it’s a
Jim Collison [1:06:31]
good tip. I think that’s a good tip. It’s certainly in the circles we run in here. I’ve never heard of it before, something I
Bob Buskirk [1:06:36]
had never heard of any of the apps users installed, but it works. It works great. So
Jim Collison [1:06:43]
cool. Ryan, let’s wrap it with you. We last time we were on, you spent a bunch of time we talked about, you know, cooling. And you I use the word earlier, but you got kind of a boogy build of cooling out there. Why don’t I show your screen and want to talk to talk us through it a little bit?
Ryan Kerschner [1:07:01]
Sure. So like you said, we talked a lot about cooling last time we were on and I think computers lest I don’t know, nine to 12 months, we’ve done a lot of reviews on these all in one coolers kind of like I think Mike has one right now in his system from alpha cool. You know, we’ve looked at him from alphacool course air, NZ XT, all these companies make these just all in one enclosed cooling loops for your CPU, then there’s, you know, a little step up, which is a full custom loop. And so I’ve got kind of the video paused here. on my screen, I’ll actually make this fullscreen here, so you can see it a little better. So this is just kind of a side view of my custom loop. We worked with alpha cool on this, they, they again, you know, make these full, all in one systems as well as every single component that I’ve used here for the cooling system. So everything from radiators to CPU blocks, video card blocks, all the fittings, all the tubings, the reservoir, the pump to circulate, the fluid, the fans, everything related to the cooling of this build was an alpha cool component. So we kind of worked with them, I hadn’t done a custom loop in a computer in 10 plus years. So getting back into things. I was not nervous, but a little anxious to start tearing, you know, you think about tearing apart your RT x 2070. Super right, pulling the cooling off of it and exposing that PC board and making sure you’re not damaging any components when you’re doing that. And then just the thought of adding liquid into your case and your system that’s not already in there from the factory. So we kind of go through, I’ll back up a little bit here, because that kind of shows the finished product. And then we’ll show some of the the glamour shots with it powered on. So yeah, we got a big box from alpha cool. And of course, the cat was checking it out. But you know, I’m just sitting here pulling all these components out that came in this box that we got from them. And then I kind of go over every component that we used this build. So talk about each one of those components. And I give the part numbers, you know, down at the bottom of the screen and in the description. So if you’re interested in any of them or had questions, just a quick and easy way to figure out what they are. So we just kind of look over all of these. One of the cool things is the GPU block and the video card are both enabled with a RGB lighting. So you can control that with a controller from alphacool. Or if your motherboard supports the same kind of connector, you can utilize that as well. So we just kind of go through all of those components here taking a look at you know, the pump and connections. We’ve got the reservoir and everything here for your fluids and then going through an ad here we’ll out of that. Go.
Jim Collison [1:09:56]
It’s beer a viable cooler cooling
Ryan Kerschner [1:10:00]
I wouldn’t recommend it. You could probably run it in there for a little while and you get
Mike Wieger [1:10:04]
a beer tap but then again that’s pretty probably one month that I think Jays two cents actually tested that when he was doing a post Malone’s build because post malone he themed with the Bud Light. And I think they they said it was easily a no
Bob Buskirk [1:10:21]
you might get away with it for a little while but
Ryan Kerschner [1:10:22]
so here you know, I’ve got the video card out of the build that it was coming out of and, you know, we pull the backplate off and you start taking apart the
Mike Wieger [1:10:31]
do you show the full process here cuz I was actually really interested in that as how easy or difficult that was to do. Um, I
Ryan Kerschner [1:10:38]
don’t show every screw coming out. But I mean, really, it’s just taking apart a bunch of screws, you know, pulling off this, these plates here, cleaning a car scares me right, Ryan right there, like you’re poor, that that GPU is is wafer together and you just kind of pull it apart,
Jim Collison [1:10:56]
I break it for sure.
Ryan Kerschner [1:10:58]
You know, just take your time follow the instructions, they they provide great instructions, all the components that you need to be successful in this right they’ve got so many screws and, and fittings, everything like that, it looks so sick, when it’s done, it’s so worth it looks amazing. It was fun, it’s a lot of a lot of fun for the build, you know, and you’ve got these components that just kind of screw on this is a soft tubing build. So we use one type of fitting there for the the tubing and all those thermal paste you’re supposed to use.
Unknown Speaker [1:11:32]
That’s it just a little.
Ryan Kerschner [1:11:37]
So yeah, you know, we’ve got the a couple ratings, this one actually has two radiators in the build. I don’t know if I showed that very well here. But um, whoops, let’s swing back just a tiny bit.
Jim Collison [1:11:49]
Yours, that’s weird.
Ryan Kerschner [1:11:54]
So we have a 240 millimeter radiator up front and a 360 in the bottom. So really, the loop kind of goes from this reservoir and the pump is built into the reservoir. And the flow goes out of that into our first radiator along the bottom circulates through and then up into the video card. And now the the flow of liquid actually splits between the video card and the CPU. So it’s, it’s a parallel loop at that point. So the flow kind of splits in circles through both of those at the same time, and then back out into the rest of the series loop. So then into the front radiator into the resume back around. So this just kind of gives you a little different look, I think it’s a little cleaner look when you run it in parallel, as opposed to just a series all the way around the case. But no, I think it turned out pretty well you know, it’s always kind of scary pumping fluid into your your build for the first time. But yeah, there we go got some shots of the fluid going in. And the
Jim Collison [1:12:53]
best you can do before you put the liquid and
Ryan Kerschner [1:12:56]
it’s recommended, you know, you want to make sure all those fittings are tight with your fingers. And then you actually run the system. with just the cooling components powered on, you don’t actually fully power on the system. And I had a jumper for the power supply. So you just hook that up to the power supply and it’s not connected to your motherboard, none of the other components. You can see here, I don’t have the video card connected right now. Or the motherboard power, right. So none of those components are actually just the pump. So I cycle the water through and you’ll see a lot of times people having shop towels and stuff laid out because they’re ready to fill it up and put a little bit pressure into that tubing. Thankfully, I had zero leaks
in any this process, then that I know I’m gonna skip out of Disney’s ad real quick here again.
But yeah, I’ve got a list a whole list of every components you know, that we use and affiliate links there if you’re interested in taking a look at any of those. But let me kick it on for the first time. And we’ll just let this kind of go as we’re chatting. So no, it was a really good experience. Lots of fun, love, love how it turned out. And I’m actually just about to tear it all apart and put it into a new Chase. Yeah. And we’ll do a hard tubing built this time. So instead of the soft tubing, we’re gonna shoot up some plastic and do a nice crisp look hard tubing.
Mike Wieger [1:14:22]
This already looks amazing, like I think is one of the cleanest overall builds especially with that cooling I think that looks great. I mean, because you almost I guess I’d have to wait for the resume got shot. You can’t tell it’s not rigid I guess towards the bottom probably those sort of flow a little bit but I think it looks great. I’ll be interested though. So on the rigid that’s got to be a whole different I mean if an animal a lot more measuring, getting your angles making sure they’re right cuz just you know, especially in such a tight spot I’ve never done it before but it sounds like it would be a big challenge is that something though you can do at home with a like with tools you probably have around the house or special stuff you need.
Ryan Kerschner [1:15:00]
They actually sent over a full like tube bending kit as well. I did have to buy a heat gun. So you can just get a heat gun at like Home Depot or Lowe’s. But the tube bending kit comes with like all of the inserts for your tubing, so you can make those nice smooth ends without kinks. It has a tool to get exact bend angle, so 45 degrees, I think one on their 90s. So you can get like perfect looking bins, cleaning your, the ends of your tubing is really important you want to make make sure it’s nice and smooth. So you’re not having any leaks there. But yeah, it’s a whole different beast. With the heart tubing, it’ll be my first heart tubing build. So I’m, again a little more anxious for that. But it’s going to go into a in when 925 that Bob just reviewed. actually pretty recently within the last month or so. Yeah, man that review up over on the website as well as a video for it. But we’re going to put in to 360 millimeter radiators in this case, so we’ll get a little bit of cooling.
Mike Wieger [1:16:03]
Yeah, I was gonna ask was two rads necessary for this build? I’m running around, but we would you probably have seen pretty high thermal. I mean, I guess when you are running through the GPU and CPU, I guess it’s a whole different animal. And I you know, 2070 supers a really nice card to pry runs pretty hot when you’re fully when you’re playing apex. Pretty, pretty cool. Even under load is over now for sure. But I mean, like, you know, you probably need a really decent coulees. And like this, obviously. So one rad probably too cool. Both those wouldn’t have been enough.
Ryan Kerschner [1:16:35]
Oh, that would not have been a wise choice for me. And the 905 in general doesn’t have the best cooling properties. There’s multiple reasons for that. It looks like it’s a really nice looking case. And I’m pretty happy with it still but the nine to five I’m super excited to build in So
Jim Collison [1:16:53]
Ryan, what do you use?
Ryan Kerschner [1:16:55]
So this is alpha cools, I forget their funny name for the coolant. It’s not just you know, standard distilled water. It does have some additional additives there for anti corrosion and things like that. I think in the next build, I’m probably going to go with the coolant from Primo chill. I haven’t decided what color or look I’m going to go with they have one that you know kind of has the swirly look to it. I go back and forth on that I don’t want the maintenance that requires the teardown and cleaning is a lot more cumbersome and a lot more often in order to keep the loop performing. Well. So
Jim Collison [1:17:35]
do they have one with glitter?
Ryan Kerschner [1:17:37]
I mean, it is kind of like a glittery look. It really is.
Jim Collison [1:17:43]
x it goes with the Disney ad that was
Ryan Kerschner [1:17:48]
but no it was it was a fun build. You know, I’m excited to put together a video on the on the next.
Jim Collison [1:17:53]
Pretty cool. Bob. What do you give the video? This is kind of Ryan’s debut, right.
Bob Buskirk [1:18:00]
Ryan recently got into video editing. Use it what’s the piece of software that you use to do that? Ryan?
Ryan Kerschner [1:18:06]
I use? You’re asking me a expressive engine. Oh. Nice to use software I think you can get it free. I think I paid for a little bit of an upgrade with some extra no effects and plugins for like $10 So
yeah, right. passing score. I think I made a post it on the site. So that’s gotta count for something.
Bob Buskirk [1:18:35]
Yeah, no, right. Ryan got into video editing and I was actually no I was really impressed with how everything came out you know, because we I got all these parts sent to him and I was just like anxiously waiting and you know, then it just the the final product came out I was it was really impressive. came out pretty good. So I did a nice job good good work on Ryan. You were cutting out there just a little bit what will be this offer? Was it
Ryan Kerschner [1:18:59]
a HitFilm? Express HitFilm Express. Okay. I saw a draft if the radiators chilling water before it hits the graphics card and CPU. Yes. So it goes through that one radiator before it hits the GPU and CPU and then out to the other
Bob Buskirk [1:19:16]
radiator up front.
Jim Collison [1:19:17]
It’s supposed to cool things. I thought it was just supposed to look cool.
Unknown Speaker [1:19:22]
Does that too?
Unknown Speaker [1:19:23]
Jim Collison [1:19:25]
joke I’ve ever said. Oh, that’s that’s what it is. Well, I think good work. Ryan will remind everyone head over it. We talked about a lot in just head over to http://ThinkComputers.org and just peruse through sign up to join up, join the mailing list. So you’re getting up to date on all the things that they’re putting out inside Bob’s jobs. So they’re doing a great job and not like me, because I’m like a slacker Mike and I we just kind of fake this thing. These guys actually do something. So you want to head over I mean, if you want serious reviews and those kinds of Things head over computers.org and it just improves there and then make sure you’re making the podcast can’t make it live Wednesday night, so you can download it and any podcast app. And in stay connected. I feel like we we, we we cover a lot and I shouldn’t say cover a lot of the same things because I think it’s pretty different. But I think our communities are very similar. So kind of those enthusiasts So Bob Ryan, thanks for coming on tonight. Appreciate you guys have a great Christmas. It’s tough. Like as tech guys, like we’ve already bought all that stuff we want. Right? I mean, look at behind you there, Bob. Like you don’t need anything more. Right? I mean, how what, what do you what do you get? What kind of things do you guys get for Christmas? What aren’t? You don’t already have?
Bob Buskirk [1:20:50]
I don’t know. Like, like, my girlfriend was asking. She’s like, what do you want for Christmas? And I was like, I have no clue because I have everything that I actually want. I have you know, it’s just nice air somewhere. You know, whenever you can go out to eat again. And in the state of Pennsylvania. You know? Uh, yeah, I’m just like, I like even now I was just thinking about something that I would want I don’t
Jim Collison [1:21:16]
understand. And like yaxham quiet. Yeah. I don’t have to write reviews. Ryan, what about you? What do you What are you hoping for? What are you hoping Santa brings down anything on the list?
Ryan Kerschner [1:21:29]
I don’t have the same way I got this case. So I’m happy with it. You know, I take some snow. But really, I think just some time off of work to some time on the build and you know, improve video editing skills with some of that time off. It’s about Mike Wieger.
Unknown Speaker [1:21:47]
What about you? What
Jim Collison [1:21:47]
are you hoping Santa brings?
Unknown Speaker [1:21:49]
Well, z so
Mike Wieger [1:21:50]
confusing, because Hannah gave me the theme of the gifts. She said Ham Radio, but I said, I don’t like you know what, I would need an Ham Radio. So I guess she’s knit she hasn’t asked me and I don’t know. So it’s probably something really creative and cool knowing her. So I don’t know. That’s what she said it was something Ham Radio related. So so we will see. But same as you guys, I have bought a lot of Ham Radio gear this year. And I’m kind of, you know, I already have most of stuff I need. So we’ll see. I’m excited to see what it is.
Jim Collison [1:22:17]
Well, it will come and go. For all our listeners, we’re going to wish you a Merry Christmas, Happy Hanukkah, happy holidays, whatever you celebrate, fill in the holiday of your choice in there. We hope it’s a good time as we head into 2021 it’ll be interesting to see 2020 has been such a dumpster fire of a year. It’ll just be and I’m not expecting to flip the switch to flip on January one but I sure hope it does. In a lot of ways What a crazy year it has been in and yet it’s been a great year a lot of ways there’s been a lot of things there’s been a lot of good things. I mean, there’s been a lot of bad things that have happened no doubt. But there’s been sprinkled in there some some opportunities and some good things and I’d ask you as you guys listen to this you know what’s what’s been good in in your world? What has gone right? for you what has been you know, I think for us and I won’t ask you guys this this isn’t Thanksgiving dinner. So I’m not going to ask you to say this but I think for us we spent just more family time together and that’s just been it’s been kind of sweet we’ve kind of gotten out of that habit you know, dinner had become kind of a jam, you know, whatever’s available jam it down your throat as fast as you can and move on to the next thing and we’re actually cooking together and reading together and drinking wine together and just having a good we’re kind of have a good time. So I don’t take any regrets away from from this time. And I think we take some good things away from it. Hopefully you have to and in I always just say thanks for listening to us. This will be the last Home Gadget Geeks of the here. We’ll be back in January with some more episodes I think you guys are going to continue through the holiday the holiday schedule so folks can head over http://ThinkComputers.org and in catch the podcast when we’re done a couple reminders on our way out one if you want to join the discord group and it’s super active you guys have a discord group as well right it’s pretty active I think. Yeah, so um join rs https://TheAverageGuy.TV/discord if you go to I http://ThinkComputers.org you can you can I’m sure there’s a link over there somewhere right that they can
Jim Collison [1:24:27]
think a long time ago, but I’m pretty sure that set up to do that. Give that a try first and then if you can head over to the site and grab it. Mike and I would love to hear your holiday message by the way. So if you want to drop us a 32nd holiday message, you can do that head over to Home Gadget Geeks COMM And in the bottom right hand corner, there’s little microphone just click it a 32nd holiday message. We’ll play that when we come back in January. We’d love to hear from you. So get over there and get that done. And we’ll play those in the early January shows. You can contact me send me an email Jim at the average guy.tv You can find me on Twitter at j Collison Mike Wieger tech, and yeah, I think that’s all I’m gonna pick tonight. We want to say thanks for coming out in if you’re listening live thanks for sticking around. We’re gonna do just a tiny bit of post show just because that’s what we do. Thanks for coming out tonight. With that, we’ll say goodbye
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